KLAMarine said:
I wouldn't mind Linkle being optional. |
Why Linkle? Why not Zelda?
TheLegendofDS said:
Why Linkle? Why not Zelda? |
Wouldn't mind that either!
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Wright said:
It's not a social narrative. It's the fact that Nintendo seems stuck with the "standard male save-the-day hero" instead of, you know, acknowledging there are diverse people that could take his place instead. Linkle was a start, now they have to keep that path, but doesn't seem they want to, judging what we know about ZeldaU. |
It is stupid because it would be a blatant kissing up 2 pathetic social justice Warriors. A female link is unnecessary in every sense. However if it were optional then I really would not care to be honest. When it comes to a forced female protagonist however I would much rather have Zelda herself be the hero of that particular story. She is an actual character that has everything to do with the world we are exploring. A female link however is just pointless.
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| mornelithe said: It IS a social narrative, and let's be crystal clear here, everytime an LGBT, or PoC character is written you get the avalanche of 'written by a white dude' (even though, you know, where Nintendo is concerned, the vast majority were written by PoC) critiques. So, hire LGBT workers who can create realistic characters, they can relate to. Nothing wrong with that. But, you're not exactly giving that LGBT individual any kind of freedom when you force them to wrap Hyrule around it. A new world, new universe etc... gives them the freedom to create whatever they want to. Instead of, you know, trying to make it automatically profitable by using the Zelda name. As far as the 'standard male save the day hero' blah blah blah, seriously, broaden your horizons, there are thousands of different types of games and stories out there (Hi, Metroid called, and says your narrative is shite). Just like there are with books (and yes, they still write books where a guy saves the day), and movies (same). Somehow, there's room for all to co-exist in books and movies, but not in games, eh? In games a guy saving the day, well goddamn we have to do something about that right? Not, you know, create our own unique characters, we need to take everyone else's away. Now that's what I call inclusive, that's what I call adding something positive to the industry. As I said, hire LGBT writers/directors etc... give them free reign. And you can try to explain it however you want, but I'll never understand taking an established character and wrapping a narrative around it, other than for what it is. Trying to get the game to be profitable before it even launches by latching onto an established name. |
I think you're missing the point. There's no need to hire LGBT writers; what the article points out is that a well-established franchise like Zelda isn't going to suffer because, surprise, they could ditch their stereotiped hero and show that there are different Links that could take his place: like a transgender one. Link is a reincarnated hero in each version, WW's link isn't the same as SS's Link, but they're always a cliché white male who saves the day.
I'm not too good explaining this, so I suggest going to the original source (where the full article lies, I only copy/pasted what I thought were the most important parts), and Anita actually makes great points when pointing out the importance of swapping this archetype of a hero for a less common one. It's the virtue of variety, don't think this is just for the transgender collective's sake. (Hence why your point about Amita defending a collective that isn't herself makes no sense). There's no point in creating a new world (I mean, there is, but not in this context) when we can take a established one and show that everyone can be a hero. Look at Hyrule Warriors. They added Linkle without any much trouble, didn't they? Did anyone ask for it? Probably not, but in a stroke of genius and tolerance, Nintendo rolled with it. They just need to do the same here.
Again, it's not social narrative. It's diversification. Diversification is good.
| Shiken said: It is stupid because it would be a blatant kissing up 2 pathetic social justice Warriors. A female link is unnecessary in every sense. However if it were optional then I really would not care to be honest. When it comes to a forced female protagonist however I would much rather have Zelda herself be the hero of that particular story. She is an actual character that has everything to do with the world we are exploring. A female link however is just pointless. |
It's not kissing up 2 SJW. It's showing your customers that more people outside the stereotiped white male can be the hero (or heroine) of Hyrule. The article isn't calling for a forced change (You should read it, Anita makes the point across better than myself trying to explain it here), but rather, take advantage of the game not being released yet and do the swap. Forced change would be adding a patch that changes the protagonist.
While Zelda as a protagonist isn't a bad idea, and it's been discussed in the past, we've already seen that a Link will be the protagonist, so this will go down on the traditional Zelda structure rather than giving the spotlight to a fresh (or another veteran) character. All this article asks for is that a transgender Link is given the chance to be the heroine in the game. It would be a daring move from Nintendo, and transgender collective could feel identified with the protagonist. Everyone wins.
Why are people so obsessed with this? I mean, it's ridiculous!
I'm Arab, and as we all know, Arabs are pretty much rarely shown in video games. DO I COMPLAIN? No. I do not complain. I realize that if all we do is whine because our stupid little feelings are hurt, then we'll get no progress done. I don't care for arabs to be "appreciated'' more in the video game world. Come on. We've purposely made games like this to escape reality. Why do we need to bring them down to earth?
I mean, Jesus flipping Christ. People will blow up at you for saying or doing anything that doesn't go 100% with their viewpoints.
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| hershel_layton said: Why are people so obsessed with this? I mean, it's ridiculous! I'm Arab, and as we all know, Arabs are pretty much rarely shown in video games. DO I COMPLAIN? No. I do not complain. I realize that if all we do is whine because our stupid little feelings are hurt, then we'll get no progress done. I don't care for arabs to be "appreciated'' more in the video game world. Come on. We've purposely made games like this to escape reality. Why do we need to bring them down to earth? I mean, Jesus flipping Christ. People will blow up at you for saying or doing anything that doesn't go 100% with their viewpoints. |
It's not obsession. It is a problem that needs to be adressed.
Maybe you're comfortable with the misrepresentation of arabs in videogames, but the Transgender collective is fed up being always ignored. They're also part of those consumers that make the videogame business thrive and succeed. So, it's only fair that they get the spotlight every once in a while, don't you agree? You should read the full article in the source, it adresses the importance of a transgender protagonist with factual points and solid evidence.
No one is blowing up here, people is just asking for change. Nothing wrong with that, no one is holding up Anouma's family hostage and demands that he changes the main character.
Wright said:
I think you're missing the point. There's no need to hire LGBT writers; what the article points out is that a well-established franchise like Zelda isn't going to suffer because, surprise, they could ditch their stereotiped hero and show that there are different Links that could take his place: like a transgender one. Link is a reincarnated hero in each version, WW's link isn't the same as SS's Link, but they're always a cliché white male who saves the day. I'm not too good explaining this, so I suggest going to the original source (where the full article lies, I only copy/pasted what I thought were the most important parts), and Anita actually makes great points when pointing out the importance of swapping this archetype of a hero for a less common one. It's the virtue of variety, don't think this is just for the transgender collective's sake. (Hence why your point about Amita defending a collective that isn't herself makes no sense). There's no point in creating a new world (I mean, there is, but not in this context) when we can take a established one and show that everyone can be a hero. Look at Hyrule Warriors. They added Linkle without any much trouble, didn't they? Did anyone ask for it? Probably not, but in a stroke of genius and tolerance, Nintendo rolled with it. They just need to do the same here. Again, it's not social narrative. It's diversification. Diversification is good. |
Ok my question to you is if this is not a social narrative then why change an establish charater in an establish IP? Why not create a new IP and not pander to the minoraty?Linkle(and any version of fem.Link) in a side game is fine but in a main one is just stupid since it makes no sense.Link is a guy,Zelda a girl and Ganon a pig monster,and if we are to get a female lead in a Zelda game why do we have to change Link? Why can't we just have Zelda as the hero and Link as the prince?
I for one would much rather play a new version of Ocarina were you play the 7 missing years as Zelda/Sheik than Zelda U with an shoehorn Trans/Fem. Link.Also most of the 3D Zelda's the story is not just the hero saves the princess and in many of them Zelda as a major role in the story and in 1 there isn't even a princess to save.
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