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Pavolink said:
Soundwave said:

Watched it again yesterday at home. My basic thoughts.

- Still way better than any of the prequels simply for the base level that moment to moment in REGULAR scenes, not ones where 2-57 characters are dick waving a lightsaber around, the movie more or less works quite well. The funny scenes are funny. The touching scenes are touching. Harrison Ford is the best he has been in like two damn decades.

The dialogue scenes with the characters basically all work well whereas in the prequels I think three complete
movies there was *ONE* fucking scene without a lightsaber or pod racer involved that worked well and that was the Palpatine-Anakin scene in the opera house.

Downsides ....

I honestly don't think they will ever top the OT. The OT is simply too good, too groundbreaking, too meaningful, too original to ever be topped.

Think about it. How do you make a better villian than Darth Vader? And even the OT topped Darth Vader with the freaking Emperor who was even scarier. How do you create a new character better than Yoda? Han Solo? Can you have a more natural romance that actually works well like Han and Leia? Nope. Can you top the Vader is Luke's father twist? I don't think so.

All you can do is keep adding weirder lightsaber types and repeating the "character XYZ has turned to the Dark Side! Oh noes!".

Will you ever have a Star Wars film with a scene as beautiful and meaningful to REAL life (again not special effects dick waving) as this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YkbgvRMpW0

IMO ... I think the answer is no.

Disney's Star Wars films I'm sure will be a "well made" and relatively "safe", much in the way their Marvel films are enjoyable, but I think what TFA has really done for me is to really appreciate the greatness of the OT even moreso.

Yes some of the effects are dated, yes the Ewoks were a bit silly, but that aside, the Star Wars OT saga is just too great to be beaten.

The Force Awakens was kinda like the quality level of a good Harry Potter movie. That's decent, and better than the prequels, but the OT Star Wars is on another level. 

Are you sure its better than the prequels, or are just another SW fans that wanted to have the same OT. Because that's different. I for one, can mention a lot of TFA faults.

Prequels can have bad direction, overuse of CGI and cringeworthy dialogue, but nobody can deny that not only expanded the SW universe, but also was consistent un many aspects and most importantly had a story.

Jedi Council, Coruscant, wars, Senate, invations, Jedi knights all around the galaxy, a complot to destroy the Republic and Jedi.

Now, TFA? Nothing. Reused plot of A New Hope. Zero expansion. Zero new ideas. Zero new effects. Zero plot.

 

We saw at the end of ROTJ how everywhere was celebrating that the empire was down. Coruscant, the Imperial Galactic Capital was throwing fireworks and destroying Palpatine's figure, but somehow, 30 years later the guys that won in a majestic space battle and celebrated are called "The resistance". If they are just the resistance, that means the First Order is once again controlling the Galaxy. How did they do that?

 

Now move onto the next flaw. Flat characters, perfect main character that can control the force at her pleasure and ridiculous jokes among them. Have you ever fly an spaceship? No, but who cares, I can now fly like a pro de Millenium Falcon! Han Solo is a joke compared to me! You hear that Luke? You can't despite being one great pilot!

And the fun continues. Anakin, the chosen one, the one trained by a Master Jedi in a better era, took 10 years of hardtraining to become a notable padawan. Luke had to train for three years to confront a Vader that was toying with him, and even that he loses. But in TFA universe screw that! Just touch a lightsaber and instantly become a Master Jedi!

 

The post is already long and only mentioned a couple. Definitely, TFA is getting lower and lower every minute it passes, and the turn around people is having after the hype passes is getting better and better.

The prequels had lots of story potential that are completely undone by terrible directing, writing, and lack of any human element in the films. That's part of what makes the prequels more painful than anything, they actually had potential that's completely squandered (stop it Lucas you're breaking my heart!).

Yeah, ok there's new planets like a green one with giant mushrooms. Whoopity doo. If Force Awakens changed the forest planet to one with giant chocolate balls floating around does that make it a better movie? 

TFA is a good film, not a great film though. I'd put it like this 

Tier A (The Highest Tier Fantasy/Action Movies, All Classics) - 

Star Wars OT, The Lord of The Rings Trilogy, Terminator 2, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan, The Matrix, The Dark Knight. 

Tier B (Good to Very Good Films) - 

Jurassic Park, The Avengers, Avatar, Harry Potter, Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Captain America Winter Soldier

Tier C (OK to somewhat meh) - 

Iron Man, Captain America, The Dark Knight Rises, Jurassic World, Star Wars Episode III

Tier D (Horribly Dissapointing) - 

Star Wars Episode I, The Hobbit Trilogy, The Matrix sequels, Jurassic Park II & III, Indiana Jones IV

Tire D Plus (So crappy it borders on self parody)

Star Wars Episode II, Batman & Robin



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FromDK said:

Let me first say that i'm very likely one of the biggest Star Wars fan on this side.. Since I saw the original trilogy as kid.. I have used much time thinking on future movies.. and played most of the star wars games, and read most comic.. and just waited and hoped that Lucas would make more

Then the prequels was anunced.. I saw all three at the premiere.. and even though there was a litle iritations whit the first (Jaja and the big fish eaten by bigger fish.. eaten by bigger fish) I liked Phantom Menace from first moment.. in the next to (Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith) I was even more blown away.

And then I saw Force awakens.. And I was.. to put it nice.. Very disappointed.. The movie startet a place I did not expect.. The galaxy was under the dark force controll.. and I got no bagground story, as to why that hapend.. also things like "The Resistance".. why not call them "The Alliance".. And offcourse Rey.. that somehow is almost stronger than a man that not only is Leias kid.. but also got training in both the light and dark side of the force.. There was more that for me didnt ad up.. Other things that proberly ad to the negative felling.. was that I saw it in 3d.. and me and my brother had some beers before.

Then last night I saw it again (3 times) and not in 3d.. And I liked it much more.. most of the things I had seen as plot holes.. was or could be explained.. and also becourse I somehow had accepted the story.. I think it is a perfect setup for the next movie.. And i changed from not like it.. to totally ok and JJ did a good job.

Others that have had that.. "thats actually a good movie" moment.. when they saw it second time..?

OK, it's fair to question ability with the force for a noob vs someone who's been trained in both the light and dark. But to suggest a woman can't be inherently stronger in the force than a man because of her gender is simply ridiculous. Is there evidence in the SW-verse that the force is typically greater in males than females? Seems to me like the wider SW-verse suggests there's no gender difference. And of course a noob can be stronger in the force than a trained Jedi/Sith they just lack the discipline / skill to weild it. We don't know Rey's parentage so merely because Kylo is the son of Leia and grandson of Vader does not make is impossible for Rey to be inherently stronger in the force. There's speculation that she's Luke's daughter (I don't believe it myself), which would mean that she inherited force powers from the stronger of Vader's children, hence she should be stronger in the force than Kylo.

That said, I found TFA to be a let down, simply being a re-skin of a New Hope. I am hoping for much better things in ep 8. I didn't much like any of the New Trilogy, however I did enjoy the Clone Wars TV series. I am a serious Ahsoka Tano fanboy, and not just because she's hot.



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binary solo said:
FromDK said:

Let me first say that i'm very likely one of the biggest Star Wars fan on this side.. Since I saw the original trilogy as kid.. I have used much time thinking on future movies.. and played most of the star wars games, and read most comic.. and just waited and hoped that Lucas would make more

Then the prequels was anunced.. I saw all three at the premiere.. and even though there was a litle iritations whit the first (Jaja and the big fish eaten by bigger fish.. eaten by bigger fish) I liked Phantom Menace from first moment.. in the next to (Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith) I was even more blown away.

And then I saw Force awakens.. And I was.. to put it nice.. Very disappointed.. The movie startet a place I did not expect.. The galaxy was under the dark force controll.. and I got no bagground story, as to why that hapend.. also things like "The Resistance".. why not call them "The Alliance".. And offcourse Rey.. that somehow is almost stronger than a man that not only is Leias kid.. but also got training in both the light and dark side of the force.. There was more that for me didnt ad up.. Other things that proberly ad to the negative felling.. was that I saw it in 3d.. and me and my brother had some beers before.

Then last night I saw it again (3 times) and not in 3d.. And I liked it much more.. most of the things I had seen as plot holes.. was or could be explained.. and also becourse I somehow had accepted the story.. I think it is a perfect setup for the next movie.. And i changed from not like it.. to totally ok and JJ did a good job.

Others that have had that.. "thats actually a good movie" moment.. when they saw it second time..?

OK, it's fair to question ability with the force for a noob vs someone who's been trained in both the light and dark. But to suggest a woman can't be inherently stronger in the force than a man because of her gender is simply ridiculous. Is there evidence in the SW-verse that the force is typically greater in males than females? Seems to me like the wider SW-verse suggests there's no gender difference. And of course a noob can be stronger in the force than a trained Jedi/Sith they just lack the discipline / skill to weild it. We don't know Rey's parentage so merely because Kylo is the son of Leia and grandson of Vader does not make is impossible for Rey to be inherently stronger in the force. There's speculation that she's Luke's daughter (I don't believe it myself), which would mean that she inherited force powers from the stronger of Vader's children, hence she should be stronger in the force than Kylo.

That said, I found TFA to be a let down, simply being a re-skin of a New Hope. I am hoping for much better things in ep 8. I didn't much like any of the New Trilogy, however I did enjoy the Clone Wars TV series. I am a serious Ahsoka Tano fanboy, and not just because she's hot.

For me.. It has nothing to do with gender.. If it was the other way around.. I would have write "that somehow is almost stronger than a woman" The point is only about the training and what skills we acording to former star wars story, should expext that "person" to be at"

But I give you that we dont know who her parents was, and/or if she was had some prior training in the force, and somehow forgot that.



Soundwave said:
Pavolink said:

Are you sure its better than the prequels, or are just another SW fans that wanted to have the same OT. Because that's different. I for one, can mention a lot of TFA faults.

Prequels can have bad direction, overuse of CGI and cringeworthy dialogue, but nobody can deny that not only expanded the SW universe, but also was consistent un many aspects and most importantly had a story.

Jedi Council, Coruscant, wars, Senate, invations, Jedi knights all around the galaxy, a complot to destroy the Republic and Jedi.

Now, TFA? Nothing. Reused plot of A New Hope. Zero expansion. Zero new ideas. Zero new effects. Zero plot.

 

We saw at the end of ROTJ how everywhere was celebrating that the empire was down. Coruscant, the Imperial Galactic Capital was throwing fireworks and destroying Palpatine's figure, but somehow, 30 years later the guys that won in a majestic space battle and celebrated are called "The resistance". If they are just the resistance, that means the First Order is once again controlling the Galaxy. How did they do that?

 

Now move onto the next flaw. Flat characters, perfect main character that can control the force at her pleasure and ridiculous jokes among them. Have you ever fly an spaceship? No, but who cares, I can now fly like a pro de Millenium Falcon! Han Solo is a joke compared to me! You hear that Luke? You can't despite being one great pilot!

And the fun continues. Anakin, the chosen one, the one trained by a Master Jedi in a better era, took 10 years of hardtraining to become a notable padawan. Luke had to train for three years to confront a Vader that was toying with him, and even that he loses. But in TFA universe screw that! Just touch a lightsaber and instantly become a Master Jedi!

 

The post is already long and only mentioned a couple. Definitely, TFA is getting lower and lower every minute it passes, and the turn around people is having after the hype passes is getting better and better.

The prequels had lots of story potential that are completely undone by terrible directing, writing, and lack of any human element in the films. That's part of what makes the prequels more painful than anything, they actually had potential that's completely squandered (stop it Lucas you're breaking my heart!).

Yeah, ok there's new planets like a green one with giant mushrooms. Whoopity doo. If Force Awakens changed the forest planet to one with giant chocolate balls floating around does that make it a better movie? 

TFA is a good film, not a great film though. I'd put it like this 

Tier A (The Highest Tier Fantasy/Action Movies, All Classics) - 

Star Wars OT, The Lord of The Rings Trilogy, Terminator 2, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan, The Matrix, The Dark Knight. 

Tier B (Good to Very Good Films) - 

Jurassic Park, The Avengers, Avatar, Harry Potter, Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Captain America Winter Soldier

Tier C (OK to somewhat meh) - 

Iron Man, Captain America, The Dark Knight Rises, Jurassic World, Star Wars Episode III

Tier D (Horribly Dissapointing) - 

Star Wars Episode I, The Hobbit Trilogy, The Matrix sequels, Jurassic Park II & III, Indiana Jones IV

Tire D Plus (So crappy it borders on self parody)

Star Wars Episode II, Batman & Robin

So you believe Prequels are bad, but TFA is good? Despite the tons of plot holes, nonsense story continuation, cheese dialogue, bad effects, terrible writing and recycled plot?

Oh, but it has Luke, right?



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decent movie.
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spurgeonryan said:
I dont care about plot holes. I do not know how evil has returned to the galaxy, I just know it has. Why is Rey so strong? Don't know, she just is.

People always act like every movie they see has to have some award winning story to be good. Makes no sence as nothing is original anymore. Everything borrows from something else and not every director is a Christopher nolan. If you don't like him, I think you still get what I am saying.

I loved it. Only saw it once though.

According to The Farce Awakens apologist, the force awoke when Rey touch the lightsaber. That didn't happen with Luke or Anakin (the choosen one), but somehow with Rey. And thus, she became a Master Jedi capable of mind tricks and defeat a Sith Lord trained since his childhood by Luke.

 

spurgeonryan said:
I would like to add that some things annoyed me, but not enough to not enjoy the film. I swallowed the whole Rey super Jedi thing for a bit, but it did get a little out of control.

Was it lazy to basically rip off the first movie ? Sure, but it was still a fun time watching them take down another star destroyer.

The last three were watchable and this was better than those three. For those who say this was trash, obviously you did not see The Phantom Menace. That was trash.

I think calling a trash any of the 7 movies is going to far, but saying TFA is better than the OT or nitpicking that prequels have certain flaws and ignoring the same in the last one is hypocrite.

Edit: Not pointing at you, just pointing around the web. I've seen people that says TFA is the best movie ever, and not only from the SW sage, but overall. I mean, c'mon.



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Same as when I first saw it... it's better than the Prequels (but that's not saying much), but overall disappointing as I view it as basically a soft reboot of the franchise rather than a true sequel. WAY to much retelling of the Episode IV plotline, and the fact that Han Solo gets killed off so soon when Harrison Ford was one of the real bright spots of the film just made me even more disappointed that we'll never get to see a true reunion of all the original characters on screen.



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Pavolink said:
spurgeonryan said:
I dont care about plot holes. I do not know how evil has returned to the galaxy, I just know it has. Why is Rey so strong? Don't know, she just is.

People always act like every movie they see has to have some award winning story to be good. Makes no sence as nothing is original anymore. Everything borrows from something else and not every director is a Christopher nolan. If you don't like him, I think you still get what I am saying.

I loved it. Only saw it once though.

According to The Farce Awakens apologist, the force awoke when Rey touch the lightsaber. That didn't happen with Luke or Anakin (the choosen one), but somehow with Rey. And thus, she became a Master Jedi capable of mind tricks and defeat a Sith Lord trained since his childhood by Luke.

 

spurgeonryan said:
I would like to add that some things annoyed me, but not enough to not enjoy the film. I swallowed the whole Rey super Jedi thing for a bit, but it did get a little out of control.

Was it lazy to basically rip off the first movie ? Sure, but it was still a fun time watching them take down another star destroyer.

The last three were watchable and this was better than those three. For those who say this was trash, obviously you did not see The Phantom Menace. That was trash.

I think calling a trash any of the 7 movies is going to far, but saying TFA is better than the OT or nitpicking that prequels have certain flaws and ignoring the same in the last one is hypocrite.

Edit: Not pointing at you, just pointing around the web. I've seen people that says TFA is the best movie ever, and not only from the SW sage, but overall. I mean, c'mon.

I think she has already had training. It was more about he recalling her suprussed memories than just learning the force on the spot. Remember in ROTS the younglings, they at a young age had a strong grasp of the force. Had she been trained, then at a young a forced to be hidden. It also would not be to far fetched for Luke to have "locked" up he memories of the nature of the force. 

In this case seeing a lightsaber could in fact "Awaken" some of those memories. Its a case of she knows how to use the force but she does not know(or remember) why. She has been using the force for years to survive in a place like Jakku alone. I am sure EP 8 will give more insight into this. 



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Pavolink said:
spurgeonryan said:
I dont care about plot holes. I do not know how evil has returned to the galaxy, I just know it has. Why is Rey so strong? Don't know, she just is.

People always act like every movie they see has to have some award winning story to be good. Makes no sence as nothing is original anymore. Everything borrows from something else and not every director is a Christopher nolan. If you don't like him, I think you still get what I am saying.

I loved it. Only saw it once though.

According to The Farce Awakens apologist, the force awoke when Rey touch the lightsaber. That didn't happen with Luke or Anakin (the choosen one), but somehow with Rey. And thus, she became a Master Jedi capable of mind tricks and defeat a Sith Lord trained since his childhood by Luke.

 

spurgeonryan said:
I would like to add that some things annoyed me, but not enough to not enjoy the film. I swallowed the whole Rey super Jedi thing for a bit, but it did get a little out of control.

Was it lazy to basically rip off the first movie ? Sure, but it was still a fun time watching them take down another star destroyer.

The last three were watchable and this was better than those three. For those who say this was trash, obviously you did not see The Phantom Menace. That was trash.

I think calling a trash any of the 7 movies is going to far, but saying TFA is better than the OT or nitpicking that prequels have certain flaws and ignoring the same in the last one is hypocrite.

Edit: Not pointing at you, just pointing around the web. I've seen people that says TFA is the best movie ever, and not only from the SW sage, but overall. I mean, c'mon.

Errr ... pretty sure the "Force Awakens" as soon as Rey flies the Falcon, there's a scene right after where Snoke tells Ren that's there's been an awakening in the Force, have you felt it, blah, blah, blah. 

The problem with the prequels aren't neccessarily things like "plot". The problem with them is far more fundamental than that ... they're just incredibly poor written with terrible characters, awful acting as a result of a terrible script, no emotional connection for any normal movie goer, etc. etc. It was like watching top tier actors like Ewan McGregor and Sam Jackson and Natalie Portman act in a play that a 8th grader had written, it was painful and embarrassing. I genuinely felt bad for Natalie Portman. 

It's like a house that's built on a crooked foundation ... it can't function properly as a house from that point on no matter what else it has inside. 

TFA is a decent movie built on a solid foundation, it's on par with any of the better Marvel or Harry Potter movies. Is it as good as the Star Wars OT? No probably not, but not much is. The Star Wars prequels are in their categorey of suck with the dissapointing Matrix sequels and Hobbit prequels (probably worse than both of those to be honest). 



It's not a 2 billion movie, sorry.