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MortienGerrux said:
joeorc said:

So again why worry about selling to PC anyway..

Microsoft is splitting unified windows 10 & Xbox to now shift windows 7 & 8.1 and Vista why support windows 10 over the legacy Windows OS's & steamOS?.

If it was all about Profit?

Again Sony as a company divested themselves of all PC...that's No SOE, no production of PC manufacturing anymore.

Spending more to now spend on PC development outside of Console's is also going to cost more than just spending on console development.

 

Say Sony set up a PC store why would it be for Windows OS at all? If they went with SteamOs its Linux Ubuntu based, Like AndroidOS they both Use The standard Graphics API Vulkan, with Windows they would have to code for Vulkan and DirectX if they want the best performance on Windows OS machines.

Goodluck selling 1.665.228 copies on Linux/SteamOs or Android OS.

Lmao , you really think Android OS has not eclipsed PC's now?

Mobile is a larger market than PC that's a fact..and 

Android OS & iOS is a much larger market  than Windows 10.

Because with Microsoft its all about Windows 10

That cuts down on PC gaming under windows OS for Microsoft to = just windows 10 devices.

While Android OS is by itself much larger than Windows 10. Because windows 7 & 8.1 & Vista are not in the unified Windows OS environment.

 

Amazon fire player & stick

Chromecast & player

Sony making playstation now & Vue on them over windows 10..

So why again would Sony need to make a playstation Store for PC?

Sony is about the living room computer entertainment support not the PC market.



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MortienGerrux said:
aLkaLiNE said:

There are barely any exclusives that ever gross 99mil in profits, let alone delayed ports. Those figures are totally unreasonable 

99.900.000/59.99= 1.665.228 copies to sell.

Show me a $60 PC game that's sold 1.6 million copies. The only examples I can think of is GTA V and Fallout 4 

 

Point is, there are people far more qualified than you at the top of Sony who have decided that the benefits of having exclusive games for their flagship brand works out better financially than going third party. 

 

And your estimates are not rational.



Immersiveunreality said:
Ruler said:
meh i hope not, so does this mean exclusives will come to pc too?

i think it will just work for the PC VR games,sony bringing their exclusives to PC would make no sense if its draws attention away from ps4.

Exactly! Sony would have no reason to do that , when Sony wants to make the playstation 4 its priorities vs PC..



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ps:

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aLkaLiNE said:
MortienGerrux said:

99.900.000/59.99= 1.665.228 copies to sell.

Show me a $60 PC game that's sold 1.6 million copies. The only examples I can think of is GTA V and Fallout 4 

 

Point is, there are people far more qualified than you at the top of Sony who have decided that the benefits of having exclusive games for their flagship brand works out better financially than going third party. 

 

And your estimates are not rational.

Exactly, it seems Some have this idea that Sony is building their 1st party games with Microsoft development tools and porting to PC would just be free money for Sony.  Never mind it also undermined the very point if Sony did that to kill the main reason for owning a playstation console..you would see plastered on gaming sites..

 

"No Microsoft's Eco system is the best place to play , because you can now?play Playstation Exclusives on PC now. So why buy a Playstation?build a windows 10 .

"PC"and play Microsoft exclusives & playstation exclusives also on one system..yeah that's exactly what Sony wants to see on every gaming centric site & news sites would be plastering . 

 

*Is there a reason for playstation to exist now?

*Why buy a playstation4 or 5 or 6 etc ..build a PC

"Sony exits console business , Microsoft wins Console battle for the living room while media at the same time ignoring Nintendo"

That's How you destroy a Brand..if Sony makes living room playstation console games multiplatform, than you no longer are making consoles games that are exclusive and pretty ironic many think thats going to happen Soon when Sony is selling playstation console's as fast as they are..some may say well the console market is shrinking , well there is the mobile market so again why would Sony need the PC market when the system on a chip that is going into the very platform thats disrupting the console market in the 1st place is a Mobile chip..not the PC based chip!

This is not like the Playstation 3 song last generation cycle on gaming sites meant as a snide remark for slow sales.

Both this time Sony & Nintendo are investing into mobile , and with the way iOS & Android OS are  doing in the market is it any wonder?

Asia market is dominated by Mobile both Nintendo and Sony see that. Microsoft is just going to concentrate on windows phone and surface tablets. 

While Both Nintendo and Sony are in support of iOS & Android Eco systems to add into Nintendo & Playstation Eco systems ..it seems to me Both Sony and Nintendo are letting Microsoft worry about the PC market.

So why would Sony or Nintendo worry about the PC market over console's anyway? The console market has always been eclipsed by the PC market, and its the mobile market not the PC that has shrinked the console market.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

aLkaLiNE said:
MortienGerrux said:

99.900.000/59.99= 1.665.228 copies to sell.

Show me a $60 PC game that's sold 1.6 million copies. The only examples I can think of is GTA V and Fallout 4 

 

Point is, there are people far more qualified than you at the top of Sony who have decided that the benefits of having exclusive games for their flagship brand works out better financially than going third party. 

 

And your estimates are not rational.

Umm almost everything in 2015 sold better on PC then Xbox One for example. Witcher 3 sold the best on PC according to the CEO. Don't forget CD Projekt Red now makes money from people buying games on Gog.com (CD Projekt Red DRM FREE version of Steam). Every single copy of Witcher 3 sold on Gog made them 59.99$ because they don't have to pay anyone else a cut, like physical games on consoles, where atleast 30-40% goes to production, shipping and retail.

Also games on PC have much longer lifespan, they still sell 10 years after release. Bethesda still makes millions of dollars per year from selling games like Skyrim,Oblivion,Morrowind, Fallout 1,2,3/New Vegas etc.

 

But I agree, Android and Ios are huge too. What I'm trying to say is, these markets are too big for Sony to ignore. So PSVR will eventually come to PC.



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MortienGerrux said:
aLkaLiNE said:

There are barely any exclusives that ever gross 99mil in profits, let alone delayed ports. Those figures are totally unreasonable 

99.900.000/59.99= 1.665.228 copies to sell.

Its not 99.900.000/59.99 bro

How to calculate publisher gross:
Game MSRP: $60 
Retailer Cut: $12.00 
COGS: $10.00 
Discounts/Marketing Reserve: $5.00 

Publisher Gross: $33

Its 99.900.000/33 at best.

A lot of that initial 59.99 goes to retailers and publisher and then the last bit goes to the developers that used 99.900.000 to develop the game. 

3027272 copies they would have to sell to get that much revenue.

That said that is if they are both the publisher and the developer within the same entity.




zero129 said:
joeorc said:

Your first mistake is trying to align Sony with Android just so you can try have them Compete with Windows and MS when thats just not the case.

You also fail to see your own arguments fall apart pretty easy and ill explain one last time before i leave you to it.

See your looking at this from a very biased type of view "Sony+Andoid OS vs MS+Windows 10 OS", when this is not the case. No matter how much some try to push it, so they can try have an argument against why Sony wont allow their store on Windows OS. And yes that does include Windows 10 since this is now the Windows OS going forword and what will work with the most devices just the same as Android 6 (I think) is the new Android OS going forword until the next one.

MS wants their own OS on phones for the simple reason as thats what they do, they dont want you to use googles OS they want you to use theirs!.. Sony on the other hand dont have their own OS to push. But you keep saying how Sony has Android phones and android in their TV's etc, but trust me if Sony thought they could just pop a version of the PSVita OS, or something like it in their TV's and phones they would of! (And using your logic this is what they should be doing).

The only reason Sony is using Android OS is cos like you say its got a lot of users and they dont need to pay a license to do this. Fact is Google made a good OS for such things, and companys can use that OS without needing to pay google or MS or Apple a cent, so why wouldnt Sony use it in their TV's??.

But if we go by your logic, Andoid is still just as much a threat to their console if not more so then Windows or PC's. But you keep trying to deny this fact (Even if it is using your logic) by using the "Sony uses android in their tv's and has apps on there". But using your Logic they shouldnt!.

What Sony would of done (Using your logic), is took Linux and build their own OS from it or put the same OS as the PSVita in their TV's and Phones to help their own systems grow. Just like Google did for Andoid, they wouldnt be using or helping Android and in return the google playstore to grow (Using your logic).

But facts is Money talks and bullshit walks. Some people seem to think that them companys all hate each other, when they are all only in it for the money.

Another thing you fail to see is that the great thing about being a PC gamer is we are not stuck with "One" OS, and this is where your argument "Do you really think Sony wants a PC under your TV" falls apart.

If Android OS became the main gaming OS tomorrow, i could simply just install it on my PC and dual boot into it along with whatever other OS i wanted to use. Since like you say its an Open OS, its not locked to any system. So you see by Sony supporting Android they are in return supporting PC, since Android systems are PC's just the same way as Linux systems are!.

This also goes against your "People be like why buy a PS4 when you can buy a PC and play MS and PS exclusives" reason for why Sony wouldnt do it, like i said above PC users could still do this. it would just mean Dual Booting 2 OS's.

And also by supporting Windows doesnt only mean a company has to support "Just Windows 10" like you try say. Only thing thats locked to Windows 10 is the windows 10 Store. Nothing stopping Sony from releasing their store on any version of Windows just like Steam, and in return would benafit more from doing this, much more then MS locking their Store to just Windows 10 devices..

So why your trying to make it look like a company can only support Windows 7-8.1 or Windows 10?, what runs on Windows 7 will also run on windows 10. No matter how much you try make it look like The Windows market userbase is split its just not the case. Its no different then using Android 4.2 or Android 5 etc.

Then you also try saying "Why would Sony support PC now when they sold off their PC assets" ROTFL!!!.

You do know Sony was in real dangure back then, when they where selling off assets, and letting staff go left right and center right??.

Fact is, their Laptops or gaming PC's wasnt selling enough for them, and Daylight studios or whatever they are called now didnt really produce any worthwhile big selling games since Everquest 2, and was taking far too long to finish other ones.

Its like all the PC Studios MS let go, sometimes studios are just not worth it.

But no matter how much you try to paint them a like in your head, Closing down a pretty much non profit, maybe even losing money PC Manafacturing section and Studio (That also builds games for PS4), is clearly not the same thing as Sony building a Store that can be used on any device. Be that a Windows 7,8,10 OS, Linux OS, Android OS and whatever other OS you want to name. But even if Sony did lock their Store to just "One" of them OS's it still wouldnt matter since any of them OS's can be used on PC's..

Like i said, if we use your logic for why Sony wont allow their store on a Windows device they also shouldnt support Google with Android, since in return this also helps the Google store. And thats already where everyone gets their games and it works on every Android device and version right from the start not just the latest version like Windows Store., so this is a bigger threat then Windows 10 and its Store that only works on Windows10.

See, It works for Sony to corner the PC Gaming market before MS and it works well, since their Store can support many more devices. So im sure you can see how this works in their interests. At the end of the day Sony has more Stake in getting their games and services to work on as many devices as possible then worrying about if google or Ms's os is number one.

Sony I do not think is going to support PC , because they again Sold off their PC assets from their company..so why would they open up a store when that takes away game console support from playstation..you pointed out that's what Microsoft does because of Windows OS , and that Sony does not have an OS..Android is a Sony OS, because they were one of the companies that help make the OS..there is Sony software they have made for AndroidOS..

Again were going to disagree on this but I really do not see Sony spending to maintain a PC playstation store over just the playstation Sore it already has on the Web anyway that's non OS specific.

I doubt that Sony is going to start bringing console exclusives over to PC..again they do not Need the Pc in order to make a profit or expand their Playstation platform.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

MortienGerrux said:
aLkaLiNE said:

Show me a $60 PC game that's sold 1.6 million copies. The only examples I can think of is GTA V and Fallout 4 

 

Point is, there are people far more qualified than you at the top of Sony who have decided that the benefits of having exclusive games for their flagship brand works out better financially than going third party. 

 

And your estimates are not rational.

Umm almost everything in 2015 sold better on PC then Xbox One for example. Witcher 3 sold the best on PC according to the CEO. Don't forget CD Projekt Red now makes money from people buying games on Gog.com (CD Projekt Red DRM FREE version of Steam). Every single copy of Witcher 3 sold on Gog made them 59.99$ because they don't have to pay anyone else a cut, like physical games on consoles, where atleast 30-40% goes to production, shipping and retail.

Also games on PC have much longer lifespan, they still sell 10 years after release. Bethesda still makes millions of dollars per year from selling games like Skyrim,Oblivion,Morrowind, Fallout 1,2,3/New Vegas etc.

 

But I agree, Android and Ios are huge too. What I'm trying to say is, these markets are too big for Sony to ignore. So PSVR will eventually come to PC.

Correct they are too big to ignore, bringing PSVR over to PC does not mean Playstation VR Exclusives are going to head to PC..the playstation VR support's by the AMD LiquidVR, the unity game engine , and the Epics unreal Engine 4. So many playstation VR games made to run on PC could be made from PC developers , but as for Sony bringing their playstation 4 VR games over I doubt it very much.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

Areaz32 said:
MortienGerrux said:

99.900.000/59.99= 1.665.228 copies to sell.

Its not 99.900.000/59.99 bro

How to calculate publisher gross:
Game MSRP: $60 
Retailer Cut: $12.00 
COGS: $10.00 
Discounts/Marketing Reserve: $5.00 

Publisher Gross: $33

Its 99.900.000/33 at best.

A lot of that initial 59.99 goes to retailers and publisher and then the last bit goes to the developers that used 99.900.000 to develop the game. 

3027272 copies they would have to sell to get that much revenue.

That said that is if they are both the publisher and the developer within the same entity.


Lmao! Retail cuts and manufacturing costs/shipping on *PC* i repeat *PC*



MortienGerrux said:
Areaz32 said:

Its not 99.900.000/59.99 bro

How to calculate publisher gross:
Game MSRP: $60 
Retailer Cut: $12.00 
COGS: $10.00 
Discounts/Marketing Reserve: $5.00 

Publisher Gross: $33

Its 99.900.000/33 at best.

A lot of that initial 59.99 goes to retailers and publisher and then the last bit goes to the developers that used 99.900.000 to develop the game. 

3027272 copies they would have to sell to get that much revenue.

That said that is if they are both the publisher and the developer within the same entity.


LMAO! Retail cuts on *PC* i repeat *PC*

Where do you buy your games on PC? This is the reason why Origin and Uplay exists. Its because those big AAA games have been leaking money into the retailers, and they wanted that for themselves.