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Skratchy said:
Nymeria said:



In the past decade immigration from Mexico has not been the issue it was for the thirty years prior. Not sure what building a wall would do at this point.

Exactly. It's just something conservatives talk about because they're mostly racist. They want the wall because they don't like Mexicans. They want to close mosques and deport Muslims because they hate Muslims. Everything they come up with is an excuse to justify their hatred for people.

Mexico deports more illegal Central Americans than the U.S. does and militarizes their border. Is Mexico a racist country?

Japan has some of the harshest immigration laws in the world. Is Japan a racist country?



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MDMAlliance said:
McDonaldsGuy said:

You don't even have to go after trade deficits.

http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/remittances-totaled-oil-income/

All Donald has to do is target remittances and Mexico will beg to build the wall.

So basically Donald goes after the remittances, makes Mexico pay for it, then sends back a large portion of people who were sending them to begin with.  Makes sense.

Donald will have Mexico pay for the wall the same way he had the media pay for his campaign.

Trump spent $3 million in New Hampshire and got 35% of the vote there. Jeb Bush spent $36 million and got 11% of the vote.



Skratchy said:
Nymeria said:

 

In the past decade immigration from Mexico has not been the issue it was for the thirty years prior. Not sure what building a wall would do at this point.

Exactly. It's just something conservatives talk about because they're mostly racist. They want the wall because they don't like Mexicans. They want to close mosques and deport Muslims because they hate Muslims. Everything they come up with is an excuse to justify their hatred for people.

Yes - Hatred for people,  excuses for hatred that's exactly what it must be.  Get real and start using your brain to think critically before jumping to '-isms' at every turn.

Immigrants come from not only Mexico (Shocking I know)  but more frequently are coming from all other central american countries.   Which is something, this little infographic does not explain.  In addition to that,  you are acting as if 140,000 net immigrants less across (5) years suddenly would make this still not a major concern or issue?

At 450-500k immigrants per year (Estimated) ....across 5 years you're saying there still is over 400,000 'Mexican' immigrants (Not counting anything else) flooding into the country.  In (10 years) at the rate of 400,000 illegal immigrants, you will have 8,000,000 illegal immigrants not counting their children.  With a population of close to 319 million,  the United States population would tangibly be made up of 2 - 3% illegal immigrants.  This is not even including the past how many years of illegal immigration.   

The sheer influx of low education, low income population that will be willing to work for less than a low income, low education, US citizen worker.   What do you think the net result is to the lower income US citizens?   

You should favor legal immigration or an expansion of legal immigration where high education, highly desirable people are working hard to get into this country the right way, legally.



MDMAlliance said:
Jimbo1337 said:

You are simply misinformed.  Donald Trump has been saying this from the very beginning that he would build a wall with a big beautiful door.  Despite hearing this time and time again from him, you still think that he is doing this so as to "keep people out".  A door allows people to come in and out, not just keep them out like you have stated.  So please, get your facts straight before commenting.

So let me reiterate what Donald Trump wants to do with the illegal immigration problem.  He wants to build a wall to prevent illegal immigrants from coming across the US-Mexican border while simultaneously making it easier for them to come in legally.

You and I both know that building a wall will make it harder for them to come across the border ILLEGALLY and the "big beautiful door" that he speaks of is him making it easier for them to come in LEGALLY.  Does that make sense?  

Being opposed to the above statements is like telling me that it is now better to have illegal immigrants in this country instead of legal immigrants.

By definition, a wall is meant to keep something IN or OUT.  I never once stated in anything I said that Trump is planning on keeping everything out.  Obviously no one would allow a wall that never lets anyone through.  I know he wants legal immigrants, but that's not even the point here.

What you contributed was absolutely nothing.  All you're doing is making false statements about what I said.

You clearly read my post and it flew right over your head

Here is what you stated:  Building a wall will prevent people from coming into the United States illegally, and that the wall wont be as effective as republicans think because they will simple go around/over the wall.  They will simply circumvent the wall and it will be absolutely useless and a waste of money. 

Please explain to me how you can go around a wall when it stretches across the entire border?  In order to go around something, then you need to have an opening or am I missing something there? Secondly, how do you expect someone to go over a giant wall?  Let me guess...they are supposed to somehow find a giant ladder that reaches to the top of the wall and then go over it right?  And they are also going to be invisible too while they carry this giant ladder up to the US-Mexican border.  As far as surveillance goes, you need to allow the patrol units to make arrests at the time they are caught and not tie their hands behind their backs and threaten to fire them like what is happening under Barack Obama.

You see this is where my previous post comes into play and contributed a lot to the discussion.  Everything that I said above makes it harder for people to cross the border with the wall than without the wall.  There is absolutely no denying that fact.  Have you ever heard of "path of least resistance"??

One might ask..well where is this path of least resistance?  Well if you read my previous post, you would understand that this is the path to becoming a legal citizen.  So let me make this VERY clear...

When you build a wall, it will be harder for them to come into the country illegally.  Going around/over is a sign that it is now harder to come into the United States than without the wall.  A person will assess the situation and say to themselves, why am I trying so hard to come into the United States illegally when I can just eat a doughnut, sign some papers, and come into the country legally.  Is that so hard to understand??  

You did say it in previous posts by not commenting on the entire truth and therefore intentionally or untentionally painted him to be this evil racist man so as to promote your views and diminish any opposing viewpoints.



Skratchy said:
Nymeria said:

 

In the past decade immigration from Mexico has not been the issue it was for the thirty years prior. Not sure what building a wall would do at this point.

Exactly. It's just something conservatives talk about because they're mostly racist. They want the wall because they don't like Mexicans. They want to close mosques and deport Muslims because they hate Muslims. Everything they come up with is an excuse to justify their hatred for people.

Where have conservatives said that?  You are simply calling people racists and other names to delegitimize anyone who opposes your views.  Based on your post, I don't think you are the type of person to actually have a meaningful discussion anyways.

So now conservatives want to close mosques and deport Muslims?  Where is your evidence?

I think you are confusing that with socialists.  Socialist countries in Europe have and are still closing mosques, deporting Muslims, busting into specifically Muslims homes and then beating them or burning the Koran in some instances.  But you don't want to bring up actual facts now do you? Instead, name calling is the highlight of your contribution.



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Nymeria said:

 

In the past decade immigration from Mexico has not been the issue it was for the thirty years prior. Not sure what building a wall would do at this point.

SO Obama have been more efficient on combating the immigration by fucking the economy than a border control would?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

McDonaldsGuy said:
Skratchy said:

Exactly. It's just something conservatives talk about because they're mostly racist. They want the wall because they don't like Mexicans. They want to close mosques and deport Muslims because they hate Muslims. Everything they come up with is an excuse to justify their hatred for people.

Mexico deports more illegal Central Americans than the U.S. does and militarizes their border. Is Mexico a racist country?

Japan has some of the harshest immigration laws in the world. Is Japan a racist country?

People usually classify japanese as racist and xenophobic.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."