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reggin_bolas said:
Fanboys are struggling to explain how Ren gets rekt by an inexperienced force user who suddenly wakes up and becomes more powerful than a full-blown Jedi.

But can they defend how a lowly captain can, at a random computer, at random and unguarded section of the planet suddenly turn off the ENTIRE DEFENSIVE SHIELD OF THE PLANET?

Shouldn't a decision of that importance go through several chains of command to be finally executed at the main control center where they fire the solar weapon?

You can't possibly explain away this. It kills the movie. The planet blowing up is also too soon. It's been one movie and they already destroyed the most awesome weapon in the entire series. So, they won then? No need to get Luke right?

Very disappointed in the movie.

You must know that Captain Phasma is not, precisely, a lowly captain, and it will have importance in the trilogy. They merely introduced the character, but it's high in the chain of command. Basically she's the lead of the Stormtroopers batallions, so... We're not struggling in telling you why Kylo Ren was defeated on the battle. We're telling you that he was severely wounded by a crossbow that blowed all the Stormtroopers with one shot (he was punching his wound all the time and bleeding through the entire battle), that he've just killed his father, that he was troubled and struggling with the dark side of the force the whole movie, and that seems perfectly enough for me. It's fine that you can't believe this or you think this explanation is weak, but it works fine for me. The planet blowing up too soon? Same thing as Episodes IV and VI. It's Star Wars. Really, if you over-analize all the movies, you'll find that the plot doesn't stand very well in ANY of them. It's just an excuse to make an action, fast-paced, character-focused movie. 

And I welcome the return of a good visual storytelling once again. For example, the movie's last scene was visual storytelling as its finest. Something that was lacking on the prequels too. 





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i'm have to disagree with you man. I just loved every minute of the movie and i totally anxious to see the sequels. To me this new trilogy already started very better than the last one.



Agree completely,

what a disgrace to the series



Virlando said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Virlando said:
Airaku said:
I really miss George Luca's. For all the flak the original trilogy gets. They were still good movies that FELT like Star Wars. The Force Awakens was a very good movie, but lacked the Star Wars magic. I do have faith that Episode VIII and IX will be redeeming of this mess.

I want to go and watch it again before I really make a strong opinion on it.

I am not here to look for a fight over this movie. I am not here to feed myself on upseting people about anything. In the end, it's only a movie. And yet... You don't know how happy I am not to be alone in this. I agree with what you said. There is no STAR WARS magic in the movie. It's just another movie with the toys from the SW Universe... It makes me said. But we have what we have and no one will take it from us. We have the passion, the truth about what STAR WARS really is. This deep Universe with  the force, the Sith, the Jedi.... With the feeling that this movie is not only blasters and lightsabers. It's the meaning of every prolonged moment and thought that can lighten up our imagination. The feeling that there is focus on what we believe in, and that we can see in between the scenes, receiving the true nature of the STAR WARS essence and every little drop of the force that it gives us... It's true, all of it. ;) I love STAR WARS and I won't be fooled by the look of the new Episode. 

 

Can you describe in more details what is not Star Wars about The Force Awakens? I can't recall a moment where I said to myself this doesn't have a Star Wars feel.

My friend, I don't know if I can desribe it so well, but I will try. 

The first thing that the STAR WARS was the STAR WARS itself, for me, it was just the feeling delivered in movies. Feeling that the force is somewhat mythical, achievable by those who have the will to be strong with the force. The proportions were always noticable and well dscribed. I guess that the scale in which most of the Universe was delivered, was at the good pace and in good scale. In the Force Awakens everything was shaken, the proportions were so defferent, the scale of relationship of defferent aspects was something made by other visionere. I think that the meaning of the force, and how it was described in the previous Episodes, was belittled. I think that the word 'magic', that was used here before by someone, was he best word to desrcibe it. It's just the feeling, and you cannot lie to yourself about how you feel. I don't even think about it being a rip off of the original Star Wars movie. I just could forget about that, it obviously was, but I don't mind that at this moment. I would not mind even if the Jar Jar was in the movie again, only if the STAR WARS formula wasn't shaken. What was belittled? What was lacking? Well, a different storytelling is the first step. It was told by a different visionere, as I mentioned. And I respect other visions and people who have their own point of view. I just know, see and feel the difference. And that, I think, is what people have on their mind saying that there was no STAR WARS magic in the episode. I could go on and on in this regard, but I think tht if you know what I am speaking about, then everything is simple. And if you don't understand me, and you don't have the feeling as I have, the it's just our defferent way of receiving things. And in this case you are a winner because for me, the movie was something else than the STAR WARS. My main focus would be the simplification of the universe and the forces acting in it. I think it would be a great STAR WARS movie if they would give it a little bit more soul of the Universe, especially in the force regards. The movie was fun, as the guardians of the galaxy (maybe that was even the target). But when it comes to STAR WARS I know it should be better by the meaning I was telling you about. And let me tell you something. I respect that someone has defferent point of view but I cannot accept it as my own and act that everything is as it should be. I cannot even tell that someone didn't even feel the same way about the STAR WARS as I did. But in the process, he wasn't just as good to deliver his creation as he would like to. I am writing a script of my own and I know how difficuld it can be if you'd like to create your vision properly. It is a hard work to do and it absorbs you completely. For Gourge Lucas it was different, because STAR WARS is George Lucas. Not only him because many people was involved in the creation of the universe and all of them deserves the credit of creating one of the most beloved franchise in the world. And as every single person in this world has his/her own uniqe energy, and everyone has a different point of view and way to express themselfs, the people who met those days, creating the original STAR WARS, were the perfect combination for it. And I think that's just the way it is. In every aspect of life, that involves creating movies, the write combinations can deliver the desirable, feeling, moment, outcome, effect. But I think nothing really happens twice in a life.

P.S. For instance, the combination of people working on prequels was changed, and we had a different results. I can see it right from the design of the costumes, through design of locations, and design of the ships - especially the begenning of the evolution of Imperial starships. There is a lot to say about it, but one thing about the Prequels was as I remembered it from the OT, it was the force - not counting midichlorians. The force worked excactly as before, it was something very respectful, had a broad meaning but always was used the same way. The prequels had its flaws too. For example I think that Palpatine killed to quickly the three Jedi Masters who accompanied Windu in attempt of Palpatine's arresting. But it's just me, and maybe the palpatine was really so strong, and they so unexperienced fighting jedi, that he just tricked them fighting 'against the rules'. And Windu was to smart and to wise to fell on that. That gives me even more reasons to treasure the hard training that you need to accomplish before you can call yourself a master. And We know how force worked in the Force awakens. It was something achieved by someone who never had a proper training and even didn't know the story and possibilities of the force. She heard about the force but never could now how it worked and what was its possibilities. But it just so happens that someone had a different vision and now the fans are arguing about many aspects of the movie. I don't care about the storie so much, I care about the core experience that makes the STAR WARS Univers what it really is. I cannot agree with some solutions provided in the movie. And I remember how happy I was to hear the main theme and STAR WARS logo on the screen. I felt that again. I loved the first moments of the movie. It was a new hope for me really. But it didn't do well for me in the end, although I wanted to believe it will. I will see what will happen in the next Episode though. Maybe there will be a comeback for me. I still hope.

 

If nobody else reads this response, know that I read it. I enjoyed it, I understand it, and I appreciate it. Well said.



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I downloaded it last night. I'm going to watch it again. This time, without the expectations. I'm sure I'll enjoy it. Maybe I'll still have my gripes. Maybe I'll like it more. Maybe I'll have new complaints!

This thread has gone on for a while. Hopefully people accept that is not just some plea for attention, some hipster attempt to be different, or what have you. It's just a movie but it's the first continuation of the story that ended in 1983 and a lot of people hold this series to a high standard.

For better or worse, the first six movies are a piece of George Lucas's soul. Abrams may have done as good a job as humanly possible but... people feel the way they feel.





May the Force be with you.



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Lmao!!! Thank you I thought the same thing with Rey! Bitch already knows the force better the Rylo and she was never trained!!! Great read glad I'm not the only one who thought the plot was a bunch of New Hope cliches with a fuck your George you nothing of the force you don't have to have years of training to master it



Danman27 said:
Sorry the main villain was actually a character this time around. I'm also tired of hearing the kylo ren lost complaint also. Let's look at the scene quickly. He had literally just been shot, and he nearly kills fin in a light saber duel. The majority of the fight he is toying with Rey because he wants to make her his apprentice. At the end of the fight, she gains the advantage for about 3 seconds. Also, he's not that well trained with a light saber at this point.

 


I'm sorry, but are you serious? A villain with character? Well... why don't you tell me exactly his motivations for becoming a villain and killing his father? Grampa complex?! The same one that got recked by his uncle and realised the error of his ways? How is there character to him? Not to mention logic in all of this.

 

 

Anyways i agree OP. The film was formulaic (copy of SW4), it treaded the old characters like crap, turning them into useless broken characters for 30 years and then there was that ridiculous super weapon, with a beam that separates into multiple by utter magic, a planet who is unchanged in its atmosphere after beeing drilled in half and having a huge mass of energy rip open sections of that same atmosphere with no consequence to the planet, structures that defy gravity built in the mantle and finally absorbing the mass of a star (wich can only be done by a bigger gravitational force aka a black hole that somehow doesnt eat the planet itself.

Its alot to accept on that planet super weapon. Complete fantasy.

And yeah, this was the worst of the main star wars movies. You can really see Disney's hand on this one. And this comes from someone who enjoyed the prequal movies... except for the fact they were prequals and we knew how it was going to end. TFA feels like an amateurs movie published on machinima.



d21lewis said:
Virlando said:

My friend, I don't know if I can desribe it so well, but I will try. 

The first thing that the STAR WARS was the STAR WARS itself, for me, it was just the feeling delivered in movies. Feeling that the force is somewhat mythical, achievable by those who have the will to be strong with the force. The proportions were always noticable and well dscribed. I guess that the scale in which most of the Universe was delivered, was at the good pace and in good scale. In the Force Awakens everything was shaken, the proportions were so defferent, the scale of relationship of defferent aspects was something made by other visionere. I think that the meaning of the force, and how it was described in the previous Episodes, was belittled. I think that the word 'magic', that was used here before by someone, was he best word to desrcibe it. It's just the feeling, and you cannot lie to yourself about how you feel. I don't even think about it being a rip off of the original Star Wars movie. I just could forget about that, it obviously was, but I don't mind that at this moment. I would not mind even if the Jar Jar was in the movie again, only if the STAR WARS formula wasn't shaken. What was belittled? What was lacking? Well, a different storytelling is the first step. It was told by a different visionere, as I mentioned. And I respect other visions and people who have their own point of view. I just know, see and feel the difference. And that, I think, is what people have on their mind saying that there was no STAR WARS magic in the episode. I could go on and on in this regard, but I think tht if you know what I am speaking about, then everything is simple. And if you don't understand me, and you don't have the feeling as I have, the it's just our defferent way of receiving things. And in this case you are a winner because for me, the movie was something else than the STAR WARS. My main focus would be the simplification of the universe and the forces acting in it. I think it would be a great STAR WARS movie if they would give it a little bit more soul of the Universe, especially in the force regards. The movie was fun, as the guardians of the galaxy (maybe that was even the target). But when it comes to STAR WARS I know it should be better by the meaning I was telling you about. And let me tell you something. I respect that someone has defferent point of view but I cannot accept it as my own and act that everything is as it should be. I cannot even tell that someone didn't even feel the same way about the STAR WARS as I did. But in the process, he wasn't just as good to deliver his creation as he would like to. I am writing a script of my own and I know how difficuld it can be if you'd like to create your vision properly. It is a hard work to do and it absorbs you completely. For Gourge Lucas it was different, because STAR WARS is George Lucas. Not only him because many people was involved in the creation of the universe and all of them deserves the credit of creating one of the most beloved franchise in the world. And as every single person in this world has his/her own uniqe energy, and everyone has a different point of view and way to express themselfs, the people who met those days, creating the original STAR WARS, were the perfect combination for it. And I think that's just the way it is. In every aspect of life, that involves creating movies, the write combinations can deliver the desirable, feeling, moment, outcome, effect. But I think nothing really happens twice in a life.

P.S. For instance, the combination of people working on prequels was changed, and we had a different results. I can see it right from the design of the costumes, through design of locations, and design of the ships - especially the begenning of the evolution of Imperial starships. There is a lot to say about it, but one thing about the Prequels was as I remembered it from the OT, it was the force - not counting midichlorians. The force worked excactly as before, it was something very respectful, had a broad meaning but always was used the same way. The prequels had its flaws too. For example I think that Palpatine killed to quickly the three Jedi Masters who accompanied Windu in attempt of Palpatine's arresting. But it's just me, and maybe the palpatine was really so strong, and they so unexperienced fighting jedi, that he just tricked them fighting 'against the rules'. And Windu was to smart and to wise to fell on that. That gives me even more reasons to treasure the hard training that you need to accomplish before you can call yourself a master. And We know how force worked in the Force awakens. It was something achieved by someone who never had a proper training and even didn't know the story and possibilities of the force. She heard about the force but never could now how it worked and what was its possibilities. But it just so happens that someone had a different vision and now the fans are arguing about many aspects of the movie. I don't care about the storie so much, I care about the core experience that makes the STAR WARS Univers what it really is. I cannot agree with some solutions provided in the movie. And I remember how happy I was to hear the main theme and STAR WARS logo on the screen. I felt that again. I loved the first moments of the movie. It was a new hope for me really. But it didn't do well for me in the end, although I wanted to believe it will. I will see what will happen in the next Episode though. Maybe there will be a comeback for me. I still hope.

 

If nobody else reads this response, know that I read it. I enjoyed it, I understand it, and I appreciate it. Well said.

 

d21lewis said:
Virlando said:

My friend, I don't know if I can desribe it so well, but I will try. 

The first thing that the STAR WARS was the STAR WARS itself, for me, it was just the feeling delivered in movies. Feeling that the force is somewhat mythical, achievable by those who have the will to be strong with the force. The proportions were always noticable and well dscribed. I guess that the scale in which most of the Universe was delivered, was at the good pace and in good scale. In the Force Awakens everything was shaken, the proportions were so defferent, the scale of relationship of defferent aspects was something made by other visionere. I think that the meaning of the force, and how it was described in the previous Episodes, was belittled. I think that the word 'magic', that was used here before by someone, was he best word to desrcibe it. It's just the feeling, and you cannot lie to yourself about how you feel. I don't even think about it being a rip off of the original Star Wars movie. I just could forget about that, it obviously was, but I don't mind that at this moment. I would not mind even if the Jar Jar was in the movie again, only if the STAR WARS formula wasn't shaken. What was belittled? What was lacking? Well, a different storytelling is the first step. It was told by a different visionere, as I mentioned. And I respect other visions and people who have their own point of view. I just know, see and feel the difference. And that, I think, is what people have on their mind saying that there was no STAR WARS magic in the episode. I could go on and on in this regard, but I think tht if you know what I am speaking about, then everything is simple. And if you don't understand me, and you don't have the feeling as I have, the it's just our defferent way of receiving things. And in this case you are a winner because for me, the movie was something else than the STAR WARS. My main focus would be the simplification of the universe and the forces acting in it. I think it would be a great STAR WARS movie if they would give it a little bit more soul of the Universe, especially in the force regards. The movie was fun, as the guardians of the galaxy (maybe that was even the target). But when it comes to STAR WARS I know it should be better by the meaning I was telling you about. And let me tell you something. I respect that someone has defferent point of view but I cannot accept it as my own and act that everything is as it should be. I cannot even tell that someone didn't even feel the same way about the STAR WARS as I did. But in the process, he wasn't just as good to deliver his creation as he would like to. I am writing a script of my own and I know how difficuld it can be if you'd like to create your vision properly. It is a hard work to do and it absorbs you completely. For Gourge Lucas it was different, because STAR WARS is George Lucas. Not only him because many people was involved in the creation of the universe and all of them deserves the credit of creating one of the most beloved franchise in the world. And as every single person in this world has his/her own uniqe energy, and everyone has a different point of view and way to express themselfs, the people who met those days, creating the original STAR WARS, were the perfect combination for it. And I think that's just the way it is. In every aspect of life, that involves creating movies, the write combinations can deliver the desirable, feeling, moment, outcome, effect. But I think nothing really happens twice in a life.

P.S. For instance, the combination of people working on prequels was changed, and we had a different results. I can see it right from the design of the costumes, through design of locations, and design of the ships - especially the begenning of the evolution of Imperial starships. There is a lot to say about it, but one thing about the Prequels was as I remembered it from the OT, it was the force - not counting midichlorians. The force worked excactly as before, it was something very respectful, had a broad meaning but always was used the same way. The prequels had its flaws too. For example I think that Palpatine killed to quickly the three Jedi Masters who accompanied Windu in attempt of Palpatine's arresting. But it's just me, and maybe the palpatine was really so strong, and they so unexperienced fighting jedi, that he just tricked them fighting 'against the rules'. And Windu was to smart and to wise to fell on that. That gives me even more reasons to treasure the hard training that you need to accomplish before you can call yourself a master. And We know how force worked in the Force awakens. It was something achieved by someone who never had a proper training and even didn't know the story and possibilities of the force. She heard about the force but never could now how it worked and what was its possibilities. But it just so happens that someone had a different vision and now the fans are arguing about many aspects of the movie. I don't care about the storie so much, I care about the core experience that makes the STAR WARS Univers what it really is. I cannot agree with some solutions provided in the movie. And I remember how happy I was to hear the main theme and STAR WARS logo on the screen. I felt that again. I loved the first moments of the movie. It was a new hope for me really. But it didn't do well for me in the end, although I wanted to believe it will. I will see what will happen in the next Episode though. Maybe there will be a comeback for me. I still hope.

 

If nobody else reads this response, know that I read it. I enjoyed it, I understand it, and I appreciate it. Well said.

 


I read it too and I agree with everything completely and fully.



Too many ppl complaining about unexplained stuf in the first movie of a trilogy, its suposed to have unexplained stuf otherwise it would be just 1 movie not a trilogy. That aside the main tipics ppl bring up were clearly explained withim the movie to anyone who was actualy paying atention.

About Kylos duel, he isnt well trained Snoke makes this painfully obvious like 4 times in the movie, hes strong with the force but he doesnt realy ahve all that controll over it, and who would he pratice dueling wiht ? His moves during the duels are all wide and somewhat goofy, he obviously isnt great with a lightsaber (yet). Finn has training in hand to hand combat, hes a stormtrooper and we even get to see one stormtrooper whos a elite at hand to hand combat (who would probably have beat Kylo on a 1x1 duel if Kylo couldnt use the force to choke, push and stuf) fighting with a vibro staf, its not far fetched to think every stormtrooper gets to train with a vibro blade, specialy considering the first order knows jedis exists, and finn looses both duels he has in the movie, the first we see he knows how to handle himself but isnt anything great, the second he still isnt anything greta but hes fighting an injured Kylo and hes fighting with added motivation as he is protecting Rey. Rey knows how to fight with a staff very well, she was not completly untrained and was fighting a 2x injuried Kylo (one of the injuries came from a weapon that wouldve killed anyone who couldnt use the force btw, the movie showed that bow blaster blowing ppl up 3x at least), and she awakens completly to the force mid duel giving her an edge. On top of all that Kylo, hows conflicted troughout the movie, has just kiled his father and trough Adam Drivers expression we can see he is having second toughts cause that most likely didnt queltch the "temptation of the light".

About Rey learning stuf, she knows the legends (thats also made very evident 2x on the movies), its implied that she knew already she had the force but didnt want to belive/admit it, she had already had a vision so she felt the force vividly already, she had an episode where she was inside Kylos mind, she now had all the info she needed to try doing force stuf. A jedi mind trink is pretty basic (specialy performed on a stormtrooper standing 1 inch from her looking straight to her eyes), as well as a force pull, thats basicaly what she does, atuning to the force to become faster and have faster reflexes is also basic and she does what Mas Kanata told her to do, close her eyes and feel the force around her. Another snipet showing how shes using the force to do stuf even before she properly awakens to it is the scene shes shooting with a blaster, the first shot misses completly, the second she hits square in the face of the stormtrooper and Daisy Ridley totaly changes her expression when pulling the triget the second time, she has a look of pure focus and peace, after the shot lands Rey looks to the blaster puzzled, like questioning herself, what the hell have I done, and than she proceeds to land 2 more shots.

Another consideration, Rey is clearly super strong with the force, probably Anakin level or maybe more so, Anakin to those who dont know was good at everything he tried to do and he mastered the force younger than anyone else has ever mastered, even as a child he could use the force to do stuf (like the pod racing scene on Ep 1) without realy knowing what he was doing. Reys true awakening to the force is such a hughe event that it sends ripples on the force all the way to Snoke, the dude notices her awakening, its not just any everyday force user that can cause a disturbance in the force of this proportion, Kylo Ren is dead scared after he atempts to read Reys mind and notices the extent of her power, he knows the girl is OP and he tells it to Snoke: "shes strong with the force, untrained, but stronger than she knows" are his exact words and theyre delivered by an Adam Driver in a shacky voice looking like hes beginning to panick .

The movie actualy does an awesome job of telling everything we need to know, its all there, multiple scenes showing the effect of that bow blaster, Snoke telling Kylo he needs more training, Mas Kanata telling Rey how to let the force in, stormtroopers knowing how to fight hand to hand, Reys skill with a staff, Adan Drivers expression of fear when he feels Reys power, the mentions that Rey has heard about the jedis legends etc. You ppl just didnt pay atention to any of that, or to the actors expressions and body language, and would prefer a 100% exposition movie it seens.

To finish its possible that Rey had previous training and had her mind wiped when she was hiden in Jakku, I dont think thats the case but thats a plausible theory lots of ppl seen to think will be the case once Ep 8 comes around. Someone definetly hid her in Jakku, it mightve been to protect her when Kylo started killing the other jedis on Lukes new Jedi Order.



DakonBlackblade said:

Too many ppl complaining about unexplained stuf in the first movie of a trilogy, its suposed to have unexplained stuf otherwise it would be just 1 movie not a trilogy. That aside the main tipics ppl bring up were clearly explained withim the movie to anyone who was actualy paying atention.

About Kylos duel, he isnt well trained Snoke makes this painfully obvious like 4 times in the movie, hes strong with the force but he doesnt realy ahve all that controll over it, and who would he pratice dueling wiht ? His moves during the duels are all wide and somewhat goofy, he obviously isnt great with a lightsaber (yet). Finn has training in hand to hand combat, hes a stormtrooper and we even get to see one stormtrooper whos a elite at hand to hand combat (who would probably have beat Kylo on a 1x1 duel if Kylo couldnt use the force to choke, push and stuf) fighting with a vibro staf, its not far fetched to think every stormtrooper gets to train with a vibro blade, specialy considering the first order knows jedis exists, and finn looses both duels he has in the movie, the first we see he knows how to handle himself but isnt anything great, the second he still isnt anything greta but hes fighting an injured Kylo and hes fighting with added motivation as he is protecting Rey. Rey knows how to fight with a staff very well, she was not completly untrained and was fighting a 2x injuried Kylo (one of the injuries came from a weapon that wouldve killed anyone who couldnt use the force btw, the movie showed that bow blaster blowing ppl up 3x at least), and she awakens completly to the force mid duel giving her an edge. On top of all that Kylo, hows conflicted troughout the movie, has just kiled his father and trough Adam Drivers expression we can see he is having second toughts cause that most likely didnt queltch the "temptation of the light".

About Rey learning stuf, she knows the legends (thats also made very evident 2x on the movies), its implied that she knew already she had the force but didnt want to belive/admit it, she had already had a vision so she felt the force vividly already, she had an episode where she was inside Kylos mind, she now had all the info she needed to try doing force stuf. A jedi mind trink is pretty basic (specialy performed on a stormtrooper standing 1 inch from her looking straight to her eyes), as well as a force pull, thats basicaly what she does, atuning to the force to become faster and have faster reflexes is also basic and she does what Mas Kanata told her to do, close her eyes and feel the force around her. Another snipet showing how shes using the force to do stuf even before she properly awakens to it is the scene shes shooting with a blaster, the first shot misses completly, the second she hits square in the face of the stormtrooper and Daisy Ridley totaly changes her expression when pulling the triget the second time, she has a look of pure focus and peace, after the shot lands Rey looks to the blaster puzzled, like questioning herself, what the hell have I done, and than she proceeds to land 2 more shots.

Another consideration, Rey is clearly super strong with the force, probably Anakin level or maybe more so, Anakin to those who dont know was good at everything he tried to do and he mastered the force younger than anyone else has ever mastered, even as a child he could use the force to do stuf (like the pod racing scene on Ep 1) without realy knowing what he was doing. Reys true awakening to the force is such a hughe event that it sends ripples on the force all the way to Snoke, the dude notices her awakening, its not just any everyday force user that can cause a disturbance in the force of this proportion, Kylo Ren is dead scared after he atempts to read Reys mind and notices the extent of her power, he knows the girl is OP and he tells it to Snoke: "shes strong with the force, untrained, but stronger than she knows" are his exact words and theyre delivered by an Adam Driver in a shacky voice looking like hes beginning to panick .

The movie actualy does an awesome job of telling everything we need to know, its all there, multiple scenes showing the effect of that bow blaster, Snoke telling Kylo he needs more training, Mas Kanata telling Rey how to let the force in, stormtroopers knowing how to fight hand to hand, Reys skill with a staff, Adan Drivers expression of fear when he feels Reys power, the mentions that Rey has heard about the jedis legends etc. You ppl just didnt pay atention to any of that, or to the actors expressions and body language, and would prefer a 100% exposition movie it seens.

To finish its possible that Rey had previous training and had her mind wiped when she was hiden in Jakku, I dont think thats the case but thats a plausible theory lots of ppl seen to think will be the case once Ep 8 comes around. Someone definetly hid her in Jakku, it mightve been to protect her when Kylo started killing the other jedis on Lukes new Jedi Order.

 

Agree completely. For the ppl complaining about plot holes. Yeah it's the beginning of a Trilogy. If done right most of this will be tied up. Some things complained about would make the movie 3-4hrs long. Of course ppl want to know why he turned, why Luke left, what happened at the academy etc.....