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Lawlight said:

So, I can be an atheist in your country as long as officials don't know that I am and that I say that I follow a certain religion? Also, not all religions are recognised.

Yes you can, not all religion recognize, because it will be to hard for the goverment to recognize and register lol, 

Also, why can't people convert from Islam to another religion in your country?

Where did u get that statement,  even in syaria country every person allow to choose their own religion lol, must be that foolish propaganda or maybe u know but you pretend dont know

Muslims aren't monsters but countries with a majority of Muslims have a lot of issues.

Well i think every country has a lot of issues

Apostasy is a thing that only exists in countries with a Muslim majority. Why is that?

Well you are wrong Apostasy is exist in every religion teaching in Islam, Cristian, Jew, Budhisme, Hindus, etc. even from the atheist. and also there is no relation that the goverment responsible for that, not from a  major Muslim country like, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, etc. 

If you read the definition of Apostasy Apostle in Islam is different from what you think , just read thus carecully

"Ahmet Albayrak explains in The Qur'an: An Encyclopedia that regarding apostasy as a wrongdoing is not a sign of intolerance of other religions, and is not aimed at one’s freedom to choose a religion or to leave Islam and embrace another faith, but that on the contrary, it is more correct to say that the punishment is enforced as a safety precaution when warranted if apostasy becomes a mechanism of public disobedience and disorder (fitna)

All the examples by atrocities from the western world on peaceful nations are long gone by and the western world has evolved since then and yet, in the Middle East, there's still war.

Western world is another hypocrite, that invaded muslim country, now their peacfull nation is the result of abundant resource from invading Muslim country and  stealing their oil (Gulf Country), spice (Indonesia), Gold and Diamond (African), even their land (so many i even hard to mention here just read wikipedia). and yet it still exist on new type of invations like, ideology, ecomic, and cultural influenced, asking people to embrace democracy, asking every country to adopt capitalisme, human right (which is a double standard and etc etc etc).

An evolved country it doesn't always evolve  the attitude within their culture and habit, just look on how many criminal activity on a country like US, Russia and UK.  Did their country have less criminality then 3rd world country like Indonesia??? Nope, it just the opposite . man you need to watch "ONE PIECE" or read the manga. This world is a great place for capitalist but a bad to live for poor country. Please open your eye.

 



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HollyGamer said:
Lawlight said:

So, I can be an atheist in your country as long as officials don't know that I am and that I say that I follow a certain religion? Also, not all religions are recognised.

Yes you can, not all religion recognize, because it will be to hard for the goverment to recognize and register lol, 

Also, why can't people convert from Islam to another religion in your country?

Where did u get that statement,  even in syaria country every person allow to choose their own religion lol, must be that foolish propaganda or maybe u know but you pretend dont know

Muslims aren't monsters but countries with a majority of Muslims have a lot of issues.

Well i think every country has a lot of issues

Apostasy is a thing that only exists in countries with a Muslim majority. Why is that?

Well you are wrong Apostasy is exist in every religion teaching in Islam, Cristian, Jew, Budhisme, Hindus, etc. even from the atheist. and also there is no relation that the goverment responsible for that, not from a  major Muslim country like, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, etc. 

If you read the definition of Apostasy Apostle in Islam is different from what you think , just read thus carecully

"Ahmet Albayrak explains in The Qur'an: An Encyclopedia that regarding apostasy as a wrongdoing is not a sign of intolerance of other religions, and is not aimed at one’s freedom to choose a religion or to leave Islam and embrace another faith, but that on the contrary, it is more correct to say that the punishment is enforced as a safety precaution when warranted if apostasy becomes a mechanism of public disobedience and disorder (fitna)

All the examples by atrocities from the western world on peaceful nations are long gone by and the western world has evolved since then and yet, in the Middle East, there's still war.

Western world is another hypocrite, that invaded muslim country, now their peacfull nation is the result of abundant resource from invading Muslim country and  stealing their oil (Gulf Country), spice (Indonesia), Gold and Diamond (African), even their land (so many i even hard to mention here just read wikipedia). and yet it still exist on new type of invations like, ideology, ecomic, and cultural influenced, asking people to embrace democracy, asking every country to adopt capitalisme, human right (which is a double standard and etc etc etc).

An evolved country it doesn't always evolve  the attitude within their culture and habit, just look on how many criminal activity on a country like US, Russia and UK.  Did their country have less criminality then 3rd world country like Indonesia??? Nope, it just the opposite . man you need to watch "ONE PIECE" or read the manga. This world is a great place for capitalist but a bad to live for poor country. Please open your eye.

 

 


1. You cannot be an atheist in Indonesia - it's against the law.

2. You also cannot convert from Islam to another religion in your country. http://www.loc.gov/law/help/apostasy/index.php#indonesia

3. The big difference is that apostasy is illegal only in islamic countries.

4. Iraq wasn't an invasion - it was retaliation. Also, are you really calling Iraq, a fascist country, peaceful? That's the only recent example that you have - a miscontrued one at that.

5. And yes, the western countries that you mentioned do have crime (probably less than Indonesia) but at least the people there are free.



Lawlight said:
HollyGamer said:

 

 


1. You cannot be an atheist in Indonesia - it's against the law.

2. You also cannot convert from Islam to another religion in your country. http://www.loc.gov/law/help/apostasy/index.php#indonesia

3. The big difference is that apostasy is illegal only in islamic countries.

4. Iraq wasn't an invasion - it was retaliation. Also, are you really calling Iraq, a fascist country, peaceful? That's the only recent example that you have - a miscontrued one at that.

5. And yes, the western countries that you mentioned do have crime (probably less than Indonesia) but at least the people there are free.

1. You cannot be an atheist  by goverment it doesn't mean you need to follow any religion, the fact are a lot of Atheist live with fake id, so it doesn't concern them , again answer my question why we need to discuss this on this thread?

2.Yet you give a wrong link, just give me an Indonesian law site, that giving the prove, you will not find any, because Indonesian people free to choose their own religion. 

3. That's not the fault of Islamic teaching, because Islam never teach people to punisht ex muslim that convert to other religion, if it's trully exist then why there isa believe of hell to punish people then. Maybe you mistake with Syiah, because Syia is not Islam. 

4. Well retalation or not, Iraq never have been proven to have nuke or chemistry bom, while US secreatly have deal with Iran who have nuke. What u see on the media is just another prove how well the Israel and the jew that back them up build a public opinion, while we Muslim most of us seperated in power and dont have any more power beeing divided, politically, economically by them. and being bulied again and again by false public opinion.

5.They commit crime far more then the terorist had inflict since the day people record the hytory , and people are free by making other people not free (hypocrite/double standard) 



Apparently this attack was in retaliation for some bombings France did some weaks. Thats why terrorist were screaming this is for Syria



HollyGamer said:
Lawlight said:


1. You cannot be an atheist in Indonesia - it's against the law.

2. You also cannot convert from Islam to another religion in your country. http://www.loc.gov/law/help/apostasy/index.php#indonesia

3. The big difference is that apostasy is illegal only in islamic countries.

4. Iraq wasn't an invasion - it was retaliation. Also, are you really calling Iraq, a fascist country, peaceful? That's the only recent example that you have - a miscontrued one at that.

5. And yes, the western countries that you mentioned do have crime (probably less than Indonesia) but at least the people there are free.

1. You cannot be an atheist  by goverment it doesn't mean you need to follow any religion, the fact are a lot of Atheist live with fake id, so it doesn't concern them , again answer my question why we need to discuss this on this thread?

2.Yet you give a wrong link, just give me an Indonesian law site, that giving the prove, you will not find any, because Indonesian people free to choose their own religion. 

3. That's not the fault of Islamic teaching, because Islam never teach people to punisht ex muslim that convert to other religion, if it's trully exist then why there isa believe of hell to punish people then. Maybe you mistake with Syiah, because Syia is not Islam. 

4. Well retalation or not, Iraq never have been proven to have nuke or chemistry bom, while US secreatly have deal with Iran who have nuke. What u see on the media is just another prove how well the Israel and the jew that back them up build a public opinion, while we Muslim most of us seperated in power and dont have any more power beeing divided, politically, economically by them. and being bulied again and again by false public opinion.

5.They commit crime far more then the terorist had inflict since the day people record the hytory , and people are free by making other people not free (hypocrite/double standard) 


1. So, people are free to choose whatever religion they want, as long as the government thinks that they're only following one of the registered ones? And also, as long as you're not an atheist. We're talking about this because you mentioned how all religions live in peace in your country, which is not a good example since you have no freedom of religion in your country.

 

2. So, you don't even know your country's laws? You can do your own research on that but it is a fact.

 

3. You're confusing law with belief. Non-belief in Christianity or other religion is not an offence in any country. It is in many Islamic countries.

 

4. Muslims divided themselves. There's plenty of minorities being persecuted even amongst Muslims. It's easy to blame the Jews but plenty of Muslim countries not at war with Israel are still at war between themselves or have human rights issues.

 

5. So, you're saying that we are free by setting up people like Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein in Muslim countries? 



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The french police are trying to catch one of the suspects today in Saint Denise, one women that they found at the location blew herself up.



The terrorists killed/Caught today were planning to attack the business region 'la defense'.



GamechaserBE said:
The terrorists killed/Caught today were planning to attack the business region 'la defense'.


Nop, it was a false information.

 

The scariest thing is this woman, a kamikaze woman ,first time in the history of France and El, now anyone can be a terrorist under these bblack clothes, and even child can be used ...



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Aerys said:
GamechaserBE said:
The terrorists killed/Caught today were planning to attack the business region 'la defense'.


Nop, it was a false information.

 

The scariest thing is this woman, a kamikaze woman ,first time in the history of France and El, now anyone can be a terrorist under these bblack clothes, and even child can be used ...


Ah ok thx.



The terrorist from belgium, the brain behind the attacks in Paris has been killed during the assault of yesterday , at least one good thing done.



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