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GamechaserBE said:

Old testament:

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Not sure why you attack the Quran and close your eyes for the bible.

What's wrong with the first one? You must be playing too many video games, cause a sacrifice does not have to mean killing It can be... I dunno... Bread and wine?

Second quote is Tora. So... yeah, every single of your quotes is more a critique of Judaism than Christianity. This is the Book of Laws, which is sacred for the Jews, but for us Jesus "kinda" made a revision of that stuff and showed what God's laws truely are, so for Christians these Books have rather a historical meaning first and foremost. The Old Testament is brutal and some stuff is somewhat messed up if you ask me. But then again Its status for Jews and Christians is different, even the content of the OT isn't the same and the bottom line is, for Christians the New Testament is where its at  And I don't even want to get started on some hilarious stuff that Jews stick to and the many ingenious ways in which they try to work their way around what is in the OT . To ride the train while sitting on a bottle of water, because God told them they could not travel on Sundays except when traveling on water... Astonishing

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I wasn't actually selectively criticizing Islam.

Islamic nations are still in their own version of the dark ages, in reality, All Abrahamic religions have their problems. I was just pointing out the wide spread of severe intolerance in the Islamic countries, not just intolerance to Jews or the West. Intolerance to each "bizarre" concept.

Thank God the west cares less and less about Christianities and live their lives with loose attachments to it.

HollyGamer said:
Scisca said:

Who isn't innocent? Well people who aren't Muslims for example. Even newly born non-Muslim babies are guilty - that's the problem.

I hope you can provide proofe for that, because that's the idelogy of Cristian every people is guilty and only with the help of Jesus that can save them " Yup that's Cristianity. In Islam every baby Muslim or not Muslimis not guilty, and only God who able to judge them. And we only defend ourself if someone trying to kill us.


Islam is also okay with having sex with little girls.

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HollyGamer said:
Lawlight said:


Would I still be innocent if I was Jew?

Not all jew is bad, only the state of Israel (the goverment) that kill innocent  Palestinian are the evil one .

Palestinian army is responsible of this. They use, force, Palestinian to use them as human shields. And then Medias are denouncing the innocent Palestinian killed. Sure they are innocent, but their own state is partly GUILTY of using them as decoy.

129 deaths and 99 highly injured in absolute emergency state, let's not forget these last ones who are between life and death, most alone without families since thhey have trouble to gather the identities of every victimes https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEwQFjALahUKEwil9_CLr5TJAhWF1xoKHYCuCRM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.leparisien.fr%2Finfo-paris-ile-de-france-oise%2F300-personnes-prises-en-charge-par-les-hopitaux-80-en-urgence-absolue-selon-l-ap-hp-14-11-2015-5276685.php&usg=AFQjCNFSOJiLnXuYqxgrdZvKTW0Qoe89tQ&sig2=I4gb6MS1FP1GHikQyXirCg

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Scisca said:

The difference is that it is forbidden for Christians to kill anyone. There are no exceptions, there is not a single sentence in the Bible that allows anyone to kill - not the case in Islam. If a Christian kills, he's not doing it because of his religion, he's doing it against the religion, he's violating it. Muslims are allowed to kill, sometimes they are explicitly told to kill and they do kill in the name of Islam. That's the massive difference.

Yes we are, alowed to kill but not the innocent people, you neeed to learn to read " Innocent " yes again, please read carefully "Innocent, again one more time " innocent ". People in Paris are innocent people that have nothing to do with enemy of Islam, what we considered enemy is a soldier who kill people, Islam never allowed to kill Children no matter what even woman, or animals (except for food), even a harmless man that not bring harm is haram to be killed.  So IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE ALOWED TO KILL OR NOT BECAUSE KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE IS STILL  FORBIDEN FOR MUSLIM AND I THINK EVERYONE IS AGREE, about killing people on the name of God is another different matter what we discuss here about KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE. SO please dont derail the thread because obvously you hate muslim.


No, that's not Christianity. According to the Bible, we are all born with a sin, not guilty of something, but this doesn't matter in the topic we're talking about, because Christianity doesn't allow anyone to kill the sinners/guilty.

Then it's not Muslim either where did you get those statement, i hope it's not because of media propaganda, or maybe you just dont know.

In Islam all babies are born "pure" - they are Muslim ("drawn to Allah" - lol), but since Christian babies "turn" to Christianity, they become guilty of apostasy just like all other non-believers. Simple.


Lol this is just another eveidence that you just blatanly attack people believe without knowledge, lol, Again i will explain carefully:

Every baby is pure and from the begining of their live in their mothers womb they have been bare witness that Allah (God) the creator has created them, and because the baby inside the womb already witnessed they became muslim (people that belive Allah (God). As long as they born and grow up and ended as muslim when they died then they are Muslim, but if the baby got influenced by Other religion then they are will get influenced by other teaching they will become non muslim, and what is the connection with this discussion,  so to answer your curiosity did we killed all the impure baby, non muslim, baby children, harmless man randomly?????  my answer " NO " or every Muslim (true Muslim ) will have the answer with me, "NO" we are not killing innocent people who is harmless to us, either muslim, non muslim, children, woman, or even we are not randomly killing animal.

@Italic - that's a flat out lie.

Carefully with that statement, i can report you to the mod because i know the real Islamict rule because i am muslim, you need to ask real muslim in your current area, if you need more prove


Quran 4:89 - "They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper."

Wow just wow, you even dont finish the entire explanation of the surah is like you never read the entire games artcle or forum thread title lol, like every other article, book, thread tittle, you need to read from start until finish, i will help you finsih the entire explanation please read:

4: 89: And they wish that you should disbelieve like they have, then you will be equal; so take them not as your friends until they migrate in the Path of Allah. And if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or helper.
4: 90: Excluding those who join a people with whom you have a peace treaty or those who approach you whilst their hearts are restrained from fighting you or fighting their people. And if Allah willed He could have imposed them over you then indeed they would fight against you. So if they withdraw from you and fight you not but instead send you peace (offers) then Allah has not given you any right to fight them.

From this literal translation and a thoughtful reading of the above verses it is clear that the command to kill is constrained and conditioned with certain special circumstances. Normally the verses of the Holy Quran need to be understood within a certain context. If read out of context, the meaning is distorted. Christians and other antagonists of Islam are guilty of such misreading and distortion of Quranic meanings because they ignore the context of the verses, either through sheer negligence or deliberate suppression. By context we mean the collective meaning derived from a group of verses. Instead of taking one verse and citing it out of context, the correct procedure is to look at the verses before and after in order to acquire a proper meaning of what The Quran is saying. Secondly, to understand certain intricate verses, the reader needs to resort to official and authentic commentaries of The Quran. 
Our non-Muslim friends should also realize that the Holy Quran contains the basic and general principles of government, worship, dealings, and so forth. But details are provided by the Hadith of The Holy Prophet Muhammad. The reason for this diversification is to ensure that the Muslim nation do not only stick to the Holy Quran for guidance but also incorporate the Hadith or Traditions of Muhammad. Thus, the Prophet Muhammad becomes a major figurehead in Islam and a personality that must be revered. 

Quran 8:12 - "I will cast terror into the the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip off them."

This verse and surah clearly a revelation on how to fight Muslim enemy.  again READ CAREFULLY "MUSLIM ENEMY" what is enemy of Muslim :

1 from verse 4 surah 89 you wrote above and i help u finsh it :" And they wish that you should disbelieve like they have, then you will be equal" is every man or woman who force muslim to be unbeliveber and force muslim to accept another teaching by weapon.

2. People or group of people that kill inocent Muslim, for no reason, or people or group of people that back stabing Muslim trust that ended on a lot of people die because of this


So we dont kill randomly, and muslim who attack Paris is not a Muslim, or obviosly a scenario to blame muslim. Because there is no prove we kill innocent people, and please try to differentiate between  " killing innocent " and  " killing enemy of Islam ". Both are different, i thing there is no argument of killing people because Israel, US, Rusia and even France  does not forbid to kill dangereous group of people (ISIS) right????? right????.

Just two sentences, two of many. Quran tells Muslims to kill.

Nope, this just how wrong people read and understand Islam, and used to cornerd Islam as a religion of terorist.

I know most Muslims aren't psychopaths and don't follow what Islam tells them to do (even if they refuse to acknowledge it),

Nope, the truth is every muslim who doesn't follow their religion is pyscopath and muslim who follow their religion is Muslim (peace, safe, full of love), we refuse acknowledge it because we know there is nothing wrong with our religion and if there is something wrong then that the responsible of thier people not the teaching. Al Quran never teach people to do terorisme , maybe our enemy want you to hate every muslim.

but that doesn't change the fact that this savage crap is a part of Islam

Well i bet with my whole life you will never find any of this crap you have mentioned .  And what you read is just from a group of people that dont want to see Islam (Lucifer, Satan and Anti Crisst, Israel)  .

Still, there is no such crap in Christianity.

Lol, so know we arguing which  religion is the best, is that your agenda, so maybe it's true after all , the teroris are not Muslim afterall, people who hate Islam trying to make Islam have a bad name, and then  forcing pople to be Cristian ???? lol

I think it's mindblowing that Muhammad wrote this book

Muhammad doesn't wrote it, God send him to his mind and heart by using gabriel. He doesn't spoke with his own free will nor other people will, all of the verse all Allah ( God of Jesus,  Moses , Abraham and Adam, )

over half a thousand years after the New Testament was written. One would think that living so much later and having the luxury of availability of the Bible and the message It carries, he'd create something even more modern and advanced.

Lol, Bible, Torah and every testament before also caries an advance knowladge from God (Allah)  until almost all of the testament tainted by the priest with their own writing, that's why Quran is the new testament from God (Allah) as the last piece and will be protected by God him self from man hands, that's why the real bible and torah is in Quran, the bible that you read is not pure God testament anymore.

Instead the book is a massive step back and is savage in comparison

The book is still protected by God even we only have one version from Muhammad times until know, this is just another prove that God (Allah ) protect the originality of the holly book.

:/ No idea how he managed to convince so many people to follow it.

I still dont understand why you want us to follow your teaching if every person has right to choose, is this a truth of Cristian teaching , lol

On the other hand though, scientologists believe in a S-F novel from a very poor S-F writer...

Well Quran is scientific though , and can be profen scientificly and science is a profe of logic, no arguing with that period.


Quran 4:104 - "And don't be weak in the pursuit of the enemy; if you are suffering (hardships) then surely, they (too) are suffering (hardships) as you are suffering."

Pursuit. Pursuit of enemy. Doesn't sound like "if someone is trying to kill us". Pursuit is no self-defence.

Lol, read again "the enemy"   , and Paris civiliant are not Muslim enemy.

And Tabari 9:69 - "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us."

And again, you just copie past from Internet without finishing the entire surrah, because in Quran alwast has a detail explanation what to kill and what not to be killed.

And... This can really go on..

Again, you can just go and badmouth Islam teaching, i dont care, i will just prove that Islam is Islam (peace) Islam mean in English as peace, save. I warned you most of people who hate Islam most of them are embrace Islam, most people who doubt Islam and learn to hate them find Islam is a peace religion and accepted Islam, I warned you if you hate Islam i am afraid you will love Islam in the future



It's very logical, you just seem to look at it through rose tinted glasses. They attack in Paris, because there are thousands of Muslims there wanting to take over the country in the name of Islam. The Muslim districts of Paris are breeding grounds for terrorists. They know the city, they can easily organise the attack and hide there later on. It's perfectly logical.

Like i told you Islam never allow to kill innocent or bring syariah law without people agreeing, i can show you the teaching in the quran, if you insist. If the Muslim have live on others country who already estabilish a rule they cannot force it unless the local government, people agree. Just take a living example on my country Indonesia, with majority 90% Muslim, in Indonesia we dont have syaria, yet we never force people to use syaria as a law, as Muslim we just remind people to embrace Syaria without using weapon, or treating people. This is just show how easly you get depicted by the media to hate Islam, while we Muslim never hate Cristian, budhisme or even Jew, except if we got attack by individual people or group that claim from certain religion, hell even we can bring justice to our own muslim compatriot who kill innocent people.


And mind you, Russia has the second most powerful army in the world, so a claim that "their (ISIS') current state of power is not sufficient enough to hold Russia" is kinda funny They will never come close to the power of a fraction of the Russian army, it's gonna take decades even for China to catch up If Russians REALLY wanted to kill ISIS at all cost, nothing on this planet would stop them.

Then we both agree that that it's imposible to attack paris, because it's useless, we know  geographicly that france  far from the gulf area, even when the Turk civilization were still very strong, it's hard to attack France.



Gintoki said:
HollyGamer said:

Palestinian army is responsible of this. They use, force, Palestinian to use them as human shields. And then Medias are denouncing the innocent Palestinian killed. Sure they are innocent, but their own state is partly GUILTY of using them as decoy.

And yet Israel with their own advance weapon should have  avoid civiliant casualty, if they trully genereous they could have just kill Palestinian soldier ,  and also dont forget, Israel that invaded Palestinian people and surely they have " Right" to defend their country.

LurkerJ said:

I wasn't actually selectively criticizing Islam.

Islamic nations are still in their own version of the dark ages, in reality, All Abrahamic religions have their problems. I was just pointing out the wide spread of severe intolerance in the Islamic countries, not just intolerance to Jews or the West. Intolerance to each "bizarre" concept.

Thank God the west cares less and less about Christianities and live their lives with loose attachments to it.

Well the truth is west and jews is intolerance to Muslim  lol, to be spesifict a group of jew  teroris (Israel)  invaded the land of Palestinian or not lol. And the Israel (Jew Teroris) have nuke and advance weapon as powerful as US. Lol and back up by a powerful US money and army. Is that a bullied. Yup it's abullied against Muslim.

HollyGamer said:
Lawlight said:
HollyGamer said:
Lawlight said:

Yes, I would, if like the attackers, you had a history with those respective idealogies. One of the attacker has been identified and he has ties to radical islam links.

Yeah it's radical  and it's one of them compared to hundred of them, but still the point is, we dont have radical, we only have Islam as kaffah (fully awerness and devot follower who really follow the rule to not kill innocent) 

Btw, I don't believe in Mohammed.

That's not my problem

I'm not muslim and don't believe in Sharia law. Am I innocent?

To Muslim as long as you are not criminally kill muslim you are innocent, because you are harmless and have a peace pact to every muslim

Would I still be innocent if I was Jew?

Not all jew is bad, only the state of Israel (the goverment) that kill innocent  Palestinian are the evil one .

Maybe Isreal wouldn't have to fight back against Palestinians if they weren't constantly being attacked.

Lol, dudes, are u for real,  Civiliant (Palestinia) are being invaded by Israel. And they cannot defended their land, even with stick and stone, while Israel are using artilery, tank. If you want to reply this i suggest u do on other thread because we are discussing Paris not Israel.

And apparently, I'm innocent as long as I don't harm Muslims. Other religions are ok?

Every religion or non religion (Atheist)  we treat the same, just look at my country where the majority of Muslim 90% is treating Cristian, Hindus, and budhisme, etc the same peacefully.

And where is your country?

Lawlight said:
HollyGamer said:

And where is your country?