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HollyGamer said:
Lawlight said:


1. You cannot be an atheist in Indonesia - it's against the law.

2. You also cannot convert from Islam to another religion in your country. http://www.loc.gov/law/help/apostasy/index.php#indonesia

3. The big difference is that apostasy is illegal only in islamic countries.

4. Iraq wasn't an invasion - it was retaliation. Also, are you really calling Iraq, a fascist country, peaceful? That's the only recent example that you have - a miscontrued one at that.

5. And yes, the western countries that you mentioned do have crime (probably less than Indonesia) but at least the people there are free.

1. You cannot be an atheist  by goverment it doesn't mean you need to follow any religion, the fact are a lot of Atheist live with fake id, so it doesn't concern them , again answer my question why we need to discuss this on this thread?

2.Yet you give a wrong link, just give me an Indonesian law site, that giving the prove, you will not find any, because Indonesian people free to choose their own religion. 

3. That's not the fault of Islamic teaching, because Islam never teach people to punisht ex muslim that convert to other religion, if it's trully exist then why there isa believe of hell to punish people then. Maybe you mistake with Syiah, because Syia is not Islam. 

4. Well retalation or not, Iraq never have been proven to have nuke or chemistry bom, while US secreatly have deal with Iran who have nuke. What u see on the media is just another prove how well the Israel and the jew that back them up build a public opinion, while we Muslim most of us seperated in power and dont have any more power beeing divided, politically, economically by them. and being bulied again and again by false public opinion.

5.They commit crime far more then the terorist had inflict since the day people record the hytory , and people are free by making other people not free (hypocrite/double standard) 


1. So, people are free to choose whatever religion they want, as long as the government thinks that they're only following one of the registered ones? And also, as long as you're not an atheist. We're talking about this because you mentioned how all religions live in peace in your country, which is not a good example since you have no freedom of religion in your country.

 

2. So, you don't even know your country's laws? You can do your own research on that but it is a fact.

 

3. You're confusing law with belief. Non-belief in Christianity or other religion is not an offence in any country. It is in many Islamic countries.

 

4. Muslims divided themselves. There's plenty of minorities being persecuted even amongst Muslims. It's easy to blame the Jews but plenty of Muslim countries not at war with Israel are still at war between themselves or have human rights issues.

 

5. So, you're saying that we are free by setting up people like Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein in Muslim countries?