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Lawlight said:
HollyGamer said:

So i f i am killing people and claim i am a klu klu clan , you will believe?  Even many Muslim Died by ISIS, and many bad Muslim kill Muslim, The point is, that you need to carve in your hearth, They are not Muslim, and Islam not teaching to kill innocent civilian that made a peace pact with Muslim (civilian).


Yes, I would, if like the attackers, you had a history with those respective idealogies. One of the attacker has been identified and he has ties to radical islam links.

Yeah it's radical  and it's one of them compared to hundred of them, but still the point is, we dont have radical, we only have Islam as kaffah (fully awerness and devot follower who really follow the rule to not kill innocent) 

Btw, I don't believe in Mohammed.

That's not my problem

I'm not muslim and don't believe in Sharia law. Am I innocent?

To Muslim as long as you are not criminally kill muslim you are innocent, because you are harmless and have a peace pact to every muslim

Would I still be innocent if I was Jew?

Not all jew is bad, only the state of Israel (the goverment) that kill innocent  Palestinian are the evil one .






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HollyGamer said:
Lawlight said:


Yes, I would, if like the attackers, you had a history with those respective idealogies. One of the attacker has been identified and he has ties to radical islam links.

Yeah it's radical  and it's one of them compared to hundred of them, but still the point is, we dont have radical, we only have Islam as kaffah (fully awerness and devot follower who really follow the rule to not kill innocent) 

Btw, I don't believe in Mohammed.

That's not my problem

I'm not muslim and don't believe in Sharia law. Am I innocent?

To Muslim as long as you are not criminally kill muslim you are innocent, because you are harmless and have a peace pact to every muslim

Would I still be innocent if I was Jew?

Not all jew is bad, only the state of Israel (the goverment) that kill innocent  Palestinian are the evil one .




Maybe Isreal wouldn't have to fight back against Palestinians if they weren't constantly being attacked.

And apparently, I'm innocent as long as I don't harm Muslims. Other religions are ok?



Lawlight said:
HollyGamer said:
Lawlight said:


Yes, I would, if like the attackers, you had a history with those respective idealogies. One of the attacker has been identified and he has ties to radical islam links.

Yeah it's radical  and it's one of them compared to hundred of them, but still the point is, we dont have radical, we only have Islam as kaffah (fully awerness and devot follower who really follow the rule to not kill innocent) 

Btw, I don't believe in Mohammed.

That's not my problem

I'm not muslim and don't believe in Sharia law. Am I innocent?

To Muslim as long as you are not criminally kill muslim you are innocent, because you are harmless and have a peace pact to every muslim

Would I still be innocent if I was Jew?

Not all jew is bad, only the state of Israel (the goverment) that kill innocent  Palestinian are the evil one .




Maybe Isreal wouldn't have to fight back against Palestinians if they weren't constantly being attacked.

Lol, dudes, are u for real,  Civiliant (Palestinia) are being invaded by Israel. And they cannot defended their land, even with stick and stone, while Israel are using artilery, tank. If you want to reply this i suggest u do on other thread because we are discussing Paris not Israel.

And apparently, I'm innocent as long as I don't harm Muslims. Other religions are ok?

Every religion or non religion (Atheist)  we treat the same, just look at my country where the majority of Muslim 90% is treating Cristian, Hindus, and budhisme, etc the same peacefully.





Scisca said:
HollyGamer said:
The terrorist obviously is are not Muslim or a true Muslim, Islam never teach people to kill innocent people, animal, and tree.

The funny thing is, why they attacking Paris, if they want they can just attack US or Israel, Paris is to random, and there is no connection on Islamic state and Paris, If they want they can just attack German, Turk and close area near the gulf area. Maybe there are some scenario for blaming all Muslim who live in Paris, well obviously and logically


1) Innocent people. Innocent. That's the difference between Christianity and Islam. Christianity says that you should not kill - period. Islam says that you should not kill innocents. That's a massive difference. Who isn't innocent? Well people who aren't Muslims for example. Even newly born non-Muslim babies are guilty - that's the problem.

 

2)They are attacking Paris because there are over 10 mil Muslims in France, so it's by far the easiest. France is bombing Libya and Syria as well, so there is an obvious connection, you seem to be rather uneducated on the subject. They recently sent their aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle to the Gulf, so that their airplanes can attack targets there. Enough for me, but if you want some symbology, then maybe Paris can be seen as the capital city of the current Western state of mind - of people totally devoid of the traditional values and decadent. People who have no spine are easiest to be subdued.

1)  So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children.  "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin."  Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

  If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.  (basically the victim of rape getting punished to death)

Genocide/Murder/Rape are all pretty common aswel in the bible.


2) could have happen anywhere but France is one of most active countries against ISIS and other terrorist organisations.



HollyGamer said:

Innocent people. Innocent. That's the difference between Christianity and Islam. Christianity says that you should not kill - period.

Well why blaming Islam if Most of Cristian Kill Muslim, I am warned you not to discuss this because it's out of context and it will be better if we discuss on seperate matter,

The difference is that it is forbidden for Christians to kill anyone. There are no exceptions, there is not a single sentence in the Bible that allows anyone to kill - not the case in Islam. If a Christian kills, he's not doing it because of his religion, he's doing it against the religion, he's violating it. Muslims are allowed to kill, sometimes they are explicitly told to kill and they do kill in the name of Islam. That's the massive difference.

HollyGamer said:

Who isn't innocent? Well people who aren't Muslims for example. Even newly born non-Muslim babies are guilty - that's the problem.

I hope you can provide proofe for that, because that's the idelogy of Cristian every people is guilty and only with the help of Jesus that can save them " Yup that's Cristianity. In Islam every baby Muslim or not Muslimis not guilty, and only God who able to judge them.

And we only defend ourself if someone trying to kill us.

No, that's not Christianity. According to the Bible, we are all born with a sin, not guilty of something, but this doesn't matter in the topic we're talking about, because Christianity doesn't allow anyone to kill the sinners/guilty. In Islam all babies are born "pure" - they are Muslim ("drawn to Allah" - lol), but since Christian babies "turn" to Christianity, they become guilty of apostasy just like all other non-believers. Simple.

@Italic - that's a flat out lie. Just two examples:

Quran 4:89 - "They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper."

Quran 8:12 - "I will cast terror into the the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip off them."

Just two sentences, two of many. Quran tells Muslims to kill. I know most Muslims aren't psychopaths and don't follow what Islam tells them to do (even if they refuse to acknowledge it), but that doesn't change the fact that this savage crap is a part of Islam - there is no way around it. Just some choose to ignore parts of Islam, unfortunately some don't. Still, there is no such crap in Christianity. I think it's mindblowing that Muhammad wrote this book over half a thousand years after the New Testament was written. One would think that living so much later and having the luxury of availability of the Bible and the message It carries, he'd create something even more modern and advanced. Instead the book is a massive step back and is savage in comparison :/ No idea how he managed to convince so many people to follow it. On the other hand though, scientologists believe in a S-F novel from a very poor S-F writer...

Also:

Quran 4:104 - "And don't be weak in the pursuit of the enemy; if you are suffering (hardships) then surely, they (too) are suffering (hardships) as you are suffering."

Pursuit. Pursuit of enemy. Doesn't sound like "if someone is trying to kill us". Pursuit is no self-defence.

And Tabari 9:69 - "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us."

And... This can really go on...

 

HollyGamer said:

They are attacking Paris because there are over 10 mil Muslims in France,

Why they need to atttach Paris if there ara a lot of Musim living peacefully in Paris, ? this is so unlogical to normal people.

It's very logical, you just seem to look at it through rose tinted glasses. They attack in Paris, because there are thousands of Muslims there wanting to take over the country in the name of Islam. The Muslim districts of Paris are breeding grounds for terrorists. They know the city, they can easily organise the attack and hide there later on. It's perfectly logical.

HollyGamer said:

France is bombing Libya and Syria as well, so there is an obvious connection, you seem to be rather uneducated on the subject.

Well i do , but it's would be totally idiot for the leader of ISIS to split their power to attach useless target,  even their current state of power is not suffecient enough to hold Rusia, and also you need to learn one thing ISIS was exist to rid Syiah not the secularis.  you need to learn more on this matter.

Why would they split power!? Dude, this is the basic tactic of terrorists! They aren't interested in forming a single army to fight a single battle in one place, cause they'd all be killed in a matter of minutes. Instead they can send around 20 soldiers (ooops! Refugees!) to Paris and kill around 200 people. Win. The people they killed aren't useless targets, they managed to spread fear and killed a bunch of infidels. And just think how much money we'll have to spend on protection. Tens if not hundreds milions of euro, that in a normal world would be used to spread welfare, will instead be spent to try and prevent another attack. Such attacks do impact our economies more than they are worth and they are abusing it - it's all basic art of war.

And mind you, Russia has the second most powerful army in the world, so a claim that "their (ISIS') current state of power is not sufficient enough to hold Russia" is kinda funny They will never come close to the power of a fraction of the Russian army, it's gonna take decades even for China to catch up If Russians REALLY wanted to kill ISIS at all cost, nothing on this planet would stop them.



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Old testament:

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Not sure why you attack the Quran and close your eyes for the bible.



GamechaserBE said:

1)  So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children.  "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin."  Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

  If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.  (basically the victim of rape getting punished to death)

Genocide/Murder/Rape are all pretty common aswel in the bible.


What is your argument here? Yes, the Bible depicts a rape. Was it ordered by God? No. Was God happy they did it? No. In fact earlier you have a verse that says: "After that whole generation had been gathered to their ancestors, another generation grew up who knew neither the Lord not what he had done for Israel." So clearly this part is talking about a part when the Israelis were lost. Still, I'm going to repeat it - the Bible merely mentions that something happened, it doesn't tell us to do this or says that God was happy they did this.

A side note - the Old Testament is very brutal, that's true. That's probably a reason why the Jews refused to accept Jesus. They were waiting for God to kill their enemies, instead they got a pacifist who was telling them to love the Romans and be kind to everyone  



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

GamechaserBE said:

Old testament:

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Not sure why you attack the Quran and close your eyes for the bible.


What's wrong with the first one? You must be playing too many video games, cause a sacrifice does not have to mean killing It can be... I dunno... Bread and wine?

Second quote is Tora. So... yeah, every single of your quotes is more a critique of Judaism than Christianity. This is the Book of Laws, which is sacred for the Jews, but for us Jesus "kinda" made a revision of that stuff and showed what God's laws truely are, so for Christians these Books have rather a historical meaning first and foremost. The Old Testament is brutal and some stuff is somewhat messed up if you ask me. But then again Its status for Jews and Christians is different, even the content of the OT isn't the same and the bottom line is, for Christians the New Testament is where its at  And I don't even want to get started on some hilarious stuff that Jews stick to and the many ingenious ways in which they try to work their way around what is in the OT . To ride the train while sitting on a bottle of water, because God told them they could not travel on Sundays except when traveling on water... Astonishing



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

I wasn't actually selectively criticizing Islam.

Islamic nations are still in their own version of the dark ages, in reality, All Abrahamic religions have their problems. I was just pointing out the wide spread of severe intolerance in the Islamic countries, not just intolerance to Jews or the West. Intolerance to each "bizarre" concept.

Thank God the west cares less and less about Christianities and live their lives with loose attachments to it.



HollyGamer said:
Scisca said:

Who isn't innocent? Well people who aren't Muslims for example. Even newly born non-Muslim babies are guilty - that's the problem.

I hope you can provide proofe for that, because that's the idelogy of Cristian every people is guilty and only with the help of Jesus that can save them " Yup that's Cristianity. In Islam every baby Muslim or not Muslimis not guilty, and only God who able to judge them. And we only defend ourself if someone trying to kill us.

 



Islam is also okay with having sex with little girls.

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