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Toxy said:
LivingMetal said:


Maybe the class knows she's being disrupted, and she needs to be removed from the room.


Nope it is the bystander effect.

The bystander effect is when a group of people see something wrong, however, because there are other people around, they wait for someone else to intervene. This can happen when someone is having a heart attack, people look at everyone else waiting for someone else to step in. This has also happened on trains, someone is being attacked/raped in public, everyone just stands and watched assuming that someone will step in. Seriously, look this term up.

But do you know for a fact that the bystander effect was in place here.  No, you dont.



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Well everyone have a good night. I have to say watching the video, reading the student comments and also reading the situation riled me up more than anything happening this year. With one daughter who can sometimes be just as stubborn as this girl, I would never be ok with something like this happening to her especially if she was non-violent. For my daughter she clams up and shutdown when you yell at her or approach her in a threaten manner. So I could see her acting like this if she was approached this way. It has nothing to do with disrespecting public authority, teachers ect. it could just be the kids personality. As a father I would go ballistic if this was my daughter and especially if the only thing she did was clam up and did not respond to this police officer.

I actually wish this was a white girl because I really would like to see if the reaction in this comment thread would remain the same. I am not saying this was race related but just wondering if people siding with this type of force would see it differently.

Sometimes kids go through stuff where they act out in this way.

Growing up, I had friends who barely ate or was starving at school and were angry, depressed, resentful. I had friends who parents were on drugs, in jail or on the street, raped and assaulted them. Sometimes those situations manifest themselves in situations like this. The people who are sitting on their high horse making statement that this girl learned a lesson has no clue how this demonstration of police force will scar her and her family for life. How the community especially the black community will continue to stay resentful and promote bad blood and mistrust.

Some of you never had to feel like the police did not have your back and looked to punish you for anything. You never had a police officer pull you over for riding your bike in a predominate white area or pulled over while driving. You never had a police officer treat you like crap just because he wore a badge. So if you are wondering if this happen to me then yes.

But with each bad situation I have good as well. I remember a few friends and I when were were 8 to 10 years old trespassing on a golf course shooting at squirrels. Out of no where we see two cop cars baring down on us and we ran away like crazy. The cops caught all of us, handcuff us, put us in the back of their car (all white police) and took us away. They asked us where we lived and told us we were trespassing on private property. Afterwards they took us to get Ice Cream and basically just hung out and talk with us for a little bit before taking us home. The cool thing is that we respected them more for treating us like good but keeping the message stern then taking us to jail and treating us like garbage. Did we go back to the golf course, no. It was not because we couldn't it was because we respected those 2 officers and did not want to disappoint them.

Anyway, I hope the lesson learned here will be that we need to make sure if police will be in our schools they are trained to handle non-violent situations without having to resort to this type of force because it does not earn respect it earns fear which is not what I believe we want in our schools.




LivingMetal said:
Machiavellian said:

Can you explain how this was needed.  So, when you read comments from students that were in the class or saw the video and they say how scared they were or frigthen, is this the result you feel is justified within a school environment.  When you watch the video and you look at the kids and they act as numb to the whole situation as if this is normal that is the needed result.  I am just wondering what type of environment you feel is needed within our schools when police officers result to this type of violence for non-violent teens.


I've already explained in numerous posts that the girl resisted, the cop reacted accordingly. And actions such as this is NEVER justified in any environment.  But people bring it upon themselves such as this girl for disrecpecting athority.  And I've already stated that there could have been other solutions, but that didn't happen.  But you choose to ignore that.  Go figure.  Just because i've made very valid points that reflect the reality that we live in, you are trying to paint me as a person who condones an environment that's harmful to society.  You have yet to successfully argue my points so now you are attempting to discredit me by falsehood.  It won't work. 

By resisting are you saying the half a second the cop grab her arm before putting her in a choke hold, flipping her desk backwards, throwing her out her seat and jumping on top of her was enough resistance to deserve this type of police force.  So are you saying that the police has the right to treat you and anyone else like this because you refused to get out of a chair.  I am asking this question because I am wondering just how much power are you giving the police for non-violent situations.

At BOLDED:  That is the point.  There should have been other solutions.  Just saying this is the result of a stubborn kid is one thing.  Being ok that this should be the result is something totally different.  You say you were not OK with the results but then you go on and defend it as if this should happen.  There is no grey here, if this is something you believe is not ok, then it should be something that should never happen again.  Disrecpting authorty would be if the girl yelled, cursed, hit, spit on the cop.  She did non of that, she shutdown.

I am not trying to paint you as anything, what I am trying to understand is if you are not ok about how this event went down, then how can you support how the event went down.  You really cannot stand in the middle and say this is not ok but its ok.  There is no such thing as this is the world we live in when you can make a change.  

Being a cop is a hard job no doubt about it.  As a soldier its easy, you get a command and you carry it out.  As a police officer you are presented with multiple situations where you have to think before acting.  A lot of those situations demand that a cop be patient, understanding and well trained to contain their emotions.  I would definitely say that being a cop is one of the hardest jobs out their because of the various situations that can happen.  Being a cop in a school is even toughter because of how teens are at that stage in life.  A cop who uses force like this in a non-violent situation should never be allowed to police a school.  I can tell you for a fact, I do not sit in the middle.  I feel this situation should never have happen and I also believe that as parents we make sure it never happen in our schools.



Ali_16x said:
Just wondering for everyone that is saying he went overboard, how would you have dealt with the situation if the girl did not get out of the room?

I don't tend to like inserting myself in situations like this (I think anyone doing something like only end up sounding silly), but given how beyond the pale the officer's reaction was, and my own experience with high school life back in the day, I think I can at least say this:

Inform her she is getting detention or otherwise discipline her. According to witnesses, the class disruption only went as far the girl checking her phone. Even if she were actively texting or being disruptive in some other way, that's no reason to forcibly remove her from the room, ESPECIALLY like this. Unless she was physically assaulting him from her desk, there is absolutely no reason to this sort of violent action. Simply mouthing off to a cop or otherwise not cooperating with him should not allow him to do this.

I mean, that's how my high school handled things. Detention, suspension, things that don't require physical violence for a non-physical offense.



mountaindewslave said:

out of context as usual with the PC liberal media

have read a lot about this and plenty happened prior. the girl was asked to put her cell phone away repeatedly by the teacher (note the teacher is also black so forget a race issue here). after she refused he asked her to leave the classroom. again she refused. he called the school administration and they asked her to leave the classroom. again, she refused. then the officer went to the room and asked her to leave (this was prior to this clip) and she refused again. FINALLY he goes to her desk to get her to leave and she refuses yet again. are you kidding me!?

 

sure it wasn't that pretty of a way to remove her but it's plain and simple, I don't care if you're black or white, boy or girl, if you're breaking the rules and told to leave in a school then either you do it or deal with the consequences of getting dragged out of the room

 

there is this constant PC thing lately where kids can act like complete brats in school and get no consequences. this girl should absolutely be expelled from that district and the reality is that she deserved getting dragged out of the room. its pretty simple and maybe parents aren't engraining this in their kids minds enough- but DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD IN SCHOOL

 

School is for education, not texting and acting like a hoodlum. again, frankly to me it doesn't matter if this was a girl or a boy, a 15 year old kid or whatever should know better than to disobey school officials and cops who tell them to do something

 

there would be no rough dragging in the first place if she had just done as she was told. its not rocket science and that 15 second video is conveniently short. that's not assault, that's an office getting the jump done removing a girl who likely ended up with not but a tiny bruise


I agree with this to a point, I think there were other ways to remove her that would have been less violent, but yes, such behaviour cant go ignore.



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Yeah, i wouldn't call that a brutal assault. She didn't listen when she was repeatedly asked to cooperate. In my opinion she got what she deserved.



If you can't handle a situation like that in a more professional way then you shouldn't have that kind of job. He used way, way more violence than what is acceptable and also risked making the situation a whole lot worse.



Looks like the officer got fired. Can't say I'm surprised...

Seriously, what in the world was he thinking? >_>



Finally saw the video. The title of this thread is very click-baity... It's really not brutal assault. The amount of force was unnecessary but it really wasn't as bad as articles are making it out to be

EDIT: Removed "brutally" from title after consulting mods



She shouldn't have resisted. Pretty simple to me.



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