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Aeolus451 said:
method114 said:


You keep throwing these "what if" scenarios like it matters. What matters is this cop took it fom 0 to 100 way to quickly. Let's see him try all the other things that have been mentioned here first then we can talk about what he should have done. I don't want cops taking things to a violent level because they  just assume it's the only way to solve things. That's a horrible way to look at things.


He only dragged her from the desk to the floor so he could handcuff her after she refused to comply to him and the school. She only had to listen to the teacher in the first place, none of it would of happened. She had other chances to listen other school staff and the cop but yet she chose a violent path by refusing to listen.  The school is not her parents.  

Aren't you blowing things a tad bit out of proportion?


How else is he to form some remote semblance of a point?



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LivingMetal said:
Machiavellian said:

So let me ask you this, after looking at this video, hearing what happen before, during and after the results, are you ok with this happening again... 


I was never ok with it from the start.  NEVER.  But that doesn't mean that is wasn't needed.  Let that sit with you for a while.

Can you explain how this was needed.  So, when you read comments from students that were in the class or saw the video and they say how scared they were or frigthen, is this the result you feel is justified within a school environment.  When you watch the video and you look at the kids and they act as numb to the whole situation as if this is normal that is the needed result.  I am just wondering what type of environment you feel is needed within our schools when police officers result to this type of violence for non-violent teens.



radha said:
Toxy said:


I doubt you were Mr Perfect when you were 15-16 years old. There is a difference between having bad manners, rebelling, respecting authority etc. 

If you disrespect someone's request, that does not give them the right to throw you into an object and then hurl you across the room. This is not proper discipline. It is also a breach of authority, something that you seem to have ignored. You can arrest someone without using unnecessary force. I never said she should not be arrested. The force being used is over the top.

I am sure a simple arrest would have sent the message. You on the other hand seem to support unnecessary violence, which means you clearly have not learned good manners yourself if you think that someone who likely has not broken any laws should be dealt with in such a manner. Especially given that Australia is country that takes pride in giving people "A fair go". Abusing teenagers is not going to fix any societal issues, in fact it will create more issues because it will cause more people to resent authority. 

If you were arrested, would you prefer the officer to still respect you as a human, arrest you without inflicting any harm, telling you your rights and taking you to the station for further questioning. Or would you prefer the officer to abuse you, and through you into the ground in a public place, causing further humiliation. 

I mean, humiliating someone and infringing upon their freedom is a breach of human rights. Generally there are exceptions to this rule, like if you were to murder, steal etc. This student on the otherhand just refused to do as she was told for the most part. That hardly seems like it is necessary to infringe her rights as a human. Does the crime meet the punishment?

 

However you have implied, that using excessive force on a minor will fix society. Screw murder and those other serious crimes, if a teenager is being rebellious, they ought to be handled with no care, right?


The teacher had to call the cops! and then they were there she ignored their request! how come she is a victim? Dude, crazy kids are bringing guns to schools and killing everyone in there, no wonder teacher reached the point where they call the police instead of the parent, and no wander the officer treated her like an adult, with the recent events in US schools and so many kids with guns people are bypassing protocols when it comes to any type of crisis withing the school. I think there were better ways for the officer to handle the situation, but the girl is not an innocent victim, too much has had hapen in US in schools in recent years.


I understand your sentiment, however, this in no wa whatsoever can be compared to a school shooting. For starters, she appears to be unarmed.
Yes she is being stubborn and rebellious. Many teenagers are this way, and always will be if people don't actually support them properly. People tend to dislike authority if some form of authority have abused their trust at some point in their life, this includes their parents. Causing further alienation and humiliation will not fix this.

If she had seemed like such a huge threat as you have implied, there would be more than one police officer on the scene. In no way, did this girl pose as a threat. You can arrest someone without using such unnecessary force. I have seen people get arrested for worse than this and they were handled better than this girl. Sure if she was a nuisance she needed to be removed from the classroom. That being said it could have been done in a much more civil manner.



LivingMetal said:
MotherBound said:
What surprises me the most is how calm and normal everyone else seems, like this is a daily thing for them 0_0


Maybe the class knows she's being disrupted, and she needs to be removed from the room.


Nope it is the bystander effect.

The bystander effect is when a group of people see something wrong, however, because there are other people around, they wait for someone else to intervene. This can happen when someone is having a heart attack, people look at everyone else waiting for someone else to step in. This has also happened on trains, someone is being attacked/raped in public, everyone just stands and watches assuming that someone will step in. Seriously, look this term up.



TheBlackNaruto said:
radha said:
TheBlackNaruto said:
 

So because there have been cases where "kids" have done some horrible things that justifies these actions? Am I saying the girl was in the right....not at all....BUT this situation was handled VERY poorly. No way that was called for in any form to get a misbehaving student out of the class room. I have seen fights broken up in high school with less force. So to first put the arm around her neck(chokehold style), then flip her over IN THE DESK then snatch her out of the desk and fling her across the room like a rag doll is unacceptable for an office of the law. This may have been necessary in other instances but not in this one...not at all. 

"No way that was called for in any form to get a misbehaving student out of the class room."

You dont know, the video is not show what happen before. And about the Justification, I know is not justified, but is like this, you know you should not get robbed on the street, but if you know there is a blakcout and if the middle of the night, you know that the context it not appropiate to go outside show off your new cell phone , watch or what ever. After 911, US very paraniod in their airports, and the reason is the context, in the US the context exists, why would you make the teacher call the police and then refuce to comply ? the officer made a bad decision but is not like there was no reaso, not that a reason is not a justification, but is reason.

Actually the story is out there now. It says teh student was chewing gum and was asked to spit the gum out and refused. Then asked to leave the classroom by the teacher and pirnciple and refused. So they then called the officer in. That's it....now again iam in NO WAY or form saying the girl did no wrong BUT the way the situation was handled was wrong...plain and simple.

Again the child was misbehaving but this was not the correct course of action.


Chewing gum is a hell of a drug. ;)



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Machiavellian said:
LivingMetal said:


I was never ok with it from the start.  NEVER.  But that doesn't mean that is wasn't needed.  Let that sit with you for a while.

Can you explain how this was needed.  So, when you read comments from students that were in the class or saw the video and they say how scared they were or frigthen, is this the result you feel is justified within a school environment.  When you watch the video and you look at the kids and they act as numb to the whole situation as if this is normal that is the needed result.  I am just wondering what type of environment you feel is needed within our schools when police officers result to this type of violence for non-violent teens.


I've already explained in numerous posts that the girl resisted, the cop reacted accordingly. And actions such as this is NEVER justified in any environment.  But people bring it upon themselves such as this girl for disrecpecting athority.  And I've already stated that there could have been other solutions, but that didn't happen.  But you choose to ignore that.  Go figure.  Just because i've made very valid points that reflect the reality that we live in, you are trying to paint me as a person who condones an environment that's harmful to society.  You have yet to successfully argue my points so now you are attempting to discredit me by falsehood.  It won't work. 



Toxy said:
LivingMetal said:


Maybe the class knows she's being disrupted, and she needs to be removed from the room.


Nope it is the bystander effect.

The bystander effect is when a group of people see something wrong, however, because there are other people around, they wait for someone else to intervene. This can happen when someone is having a heart attack, people look at everyone else waiting for someone else to step in. This has also happened on trains, someone is being attacked/raped in public, everyone just stands and watched assuming that someone will step in. Seriously, look this term up.

But do you know for a fact that the bystander effect was in place here.  No, you dont.



Well everyone have a good night. I have to say watching the video, reading the student comments and also reading the situation riled me up more than anything happening this year. With one daughter who can sometimes be just as stubborn as this girl, I would never be ok with something like this happening to her especially if she was non-violent. For my daughter she clams up and shutdown when you yell at her or approach her in a threaten manner. So I could see her acting like this if she was approached this way. It has nothing to do with disrespecting public authority, teachers ect. it could just be the kids personality. As a father I would go ballistic if this was my daughter and especially if the only thing she did was clam up and did not respond to this police officer.

I actually wish this was a white girl because I really would like to see if the reaction in this comment thread would remain the same. I am not saying this was race related but just wondering if people siding with this type of force would see it differently.

Sometimes kids go through stuff where they act out in this way.

Growing up, I had friends who barely ate or was starving at school and were angry, depressed, resentful. I had friends who parents were on drugs, in jail or on the street, raped and assaulted them. Sometimes those situations manifest themselves in situations like this. The people who are sitting on their high horse making statement that this girl learned a lesson has no clue how this demonstration of police force will scar her and her family for life. How the community especially the black community will continue to stay resentful and promote bad blood and mistrust.

Some of you never had to feel like the police did not have your back and looked to punish you for anything. You never had a police officer pull you over for riding your bike in a predominate white area or pulled over while driving. You never had a police officer treat you like crap just because he wore a badge. So if you are wondering if this happen to me then yes.

But with each bad situation I have good as well. I remember a few friends and I when were were 8 to 10 years old trespassing on a golf course shooting at squirrels. Out of no where we see two cop cars baring down on us and we ran away like crazy. The cops caught all of us, handcuff us, put us in the back of their car (all white police) and took us away. They asked us where we lived and told us we were trespassing on private property. Afterwards they took us to get Ice Cream and basically just hung out and talk with us for a little bit before taking us home. The cool thing is that we respected them more for treating us like good but keeping the message stern then taking us to jail and treating us like garbage. Did we go back to the golf course, no. It was not because we couldn't it was because we respected those 2 officers and did not want to disappoint them.

Anyway, I hope the lesson learned here will be that we need to make sure if police will be in our schools they are trained to handle non-violent situations without having to resort to this type of force because it does not earn respect it earns fear which is not what I believe we want in our schools.




LivingMetal said:
Machiavellian said:

Can you explain how this was needed.  So, when you read comments from students that were in the class or saw the video and they say how scared they were or frigthen, is this the result you feel is justified within a school environment.  When you watch the video and you look at the kids and they act as numb to the whole situation as if this is normal that is the needed result.  I am just wondering what type of environment you feel is needed within our schools when police officers result to this type of violence for non-violent teens.


I've already explained in numerous posts that the girl resisted, the cop reacted accordingly. And actions such as this is NEVER justified in any environment.  But people bring it upon themselves such as this girl for disrecpecting athority.  And I've already stated that there could have been other solutions, but that didn't happen.  But you choose to ignore that.  Go figure.  Just because i've made very valid points that reflect the reality that we live in, you are trying to paint me as a person who condones an environment that's harmful to society.  You have yet to successfully argue my points so now you are attempting to discredit me by falsehood.  It won't work. 

By resisting are you saying the half a second the cop grab her arm before putting her in a choke hold, flipping her desk backwards, throwing her out her seat and jumping on top of her was enough resistance to deserve this type of police force.  So are you saying that the police has the right to treat you and anyone else like this because you refused to get out of a chair.  I am asking this question because I am wondering just how much power are you giving the police for non-violent situations.

At BOLDED:  That is the point.  There should have been other solutions.  Just saying this is the result of a stubborn kid is one thing.  Being ok that this should be the result is something totally different.  You say you were not OK with the results but then you go on and defend it as if this should happen.  There is no grey here, if this is something you believe is not ok, then it should be something that should never happen again.  Disrecpting authorty would be if the girl yelled, cursed, hit, spit on the cop.  She did non of that, she shutdown.

I am not trying to paint you as anything, what I am trying to understand is if you are not ok about how this event went down, then how can you support how the event went down.  You really cannot stand in the middle and say this is not ok but its ok.  There is no such thing as this is the world we live in when you can make a change.  

Being a cop is a hard job no doubt about it.  As a soldier its easy, you get a command and you carry it out.  As a police officer you are presented with multiple situations where you have to think before acting.  A lot of those situations demand that a cop be patient, understanding and well trained to contain their emotions.  I would definitely say that being a cop is one of the hardest jobs out their because of the various situations that can happen.  Being a cop in a school is even toughter because of how teens are at that stage in life.  A cop who uses force like this in a non-violent situation should never be allowed to police a school.  I can tell you for a fact, I do not sit in the middle.  I feel this situation should never have happen and I also believe that as parents we make sure it never happen in our schools.



Ali_16x said:
Just wondering for everyone that is saying he went overboard, how would you have dealt with the situation if the girl did not get out of the room?

I don't tend to like inserting myself in situations like this (I think anyone doing something like only end up sounding silly), but given how beyond the pale the officer's reaction was, and my own experience with high school life back in the day, I think I can at least say this:

Inform her she is getting detention or otherwise discipline her. According to witnesses, the class disruption only went as far the girl checking her phone. Even if she were actively texting or being disruptive in some other way, that's no reason to forcibly remove her from the room, ESPECIALLY like this. Unless she was physically assaulting him from her desk, there is absolutely no reason to this sort of violent action. Simply mouthing off to a cop or otherwise not cooperating with him should not allow him to do this.

I mean, that's how my high school handled things. Detention, suspension, things that don't require physical violence for a non-physical offense.