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LudicrousSpeed said:
Sprash said:

So let's see my price listing:

+300€ Console (plus I got one game)

+50 Ps+ (one year)

-100 I saved from the ps+ one year subscription (today I saved 15 bucks for Metro the last night as a ps+ subscriber for example)

+25€ for every game I buy for retail (never buy games for more than 30 bucks and never will)

+ 3-10 bucks for some digital games

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That's 600€-650€ for a ps4 with 11 retail games, 10 digital games and 20 Indie Games, would I really spend less money for a pc? I still would have 150€-100€ save before you have your 750€ pc.

Like I said nothing is expensive if you know how to spend your money (pc and console gaming).

And a mobile user could chime in and say they play plenty of awesome games for absolutely nothing. I guess that means console gaming is a waste of money.

No matter how you wanna slice it, software and services cost wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy less on PC. More than enough to offset the higher initial cost for hardware, unless you go crazy with your rig or are one of those enthusiasts who constantly upgrades.

No, It's correct that software is cheaper on pc (not so much anymore with the playstation network also offering cheap sales) but the hardware is more expensive so one isn't really that cheaper than the other one, it is up to everyone how much money they spend on gaming. For me Console gaming is cheaper (I know how to spend my money to get the best experience).

Bolded: I don't know what a dumb comment that is but like I said if you know how to spend your money both platforms are cheap. For you it's the pc platform and for me the ps platform let's drop it at that.



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Conina said:
SvennoJ said:
^ Instead of investing in a gaming rig, get one of these first :)
http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-HD28DSE-1080p-Theater-Projector/dp/B014ULWTVC
http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-HD141X-1080p-Theater-Projector/dp/B00MK39P92
Once you go big, 1440p on a monitor just isn't as immersive anymore.

Why instead? You can also connect a PC to an 1080p projector.

My Sony "Pearl" (VPL-VW50) serves me well since 2008 when I'm in the mood for console and/or PC games (or watching blu-rays) on the big screen.

I just meant instead in case you're on a limited budget. Instead of building a $500 PC, get a projector :)
Laptops have hdmi out nowadays too, and even indie games look fantastic. EG Fract OSC is 10 times more immersive on the big screen.
Plus I've been using the same 1080p Panasonic projector since 2006, still looks fantastic. None of my PCs or consoles have survived that long. (To be fair, there are 'hidden' costs, the lamps don't last that long)

Strangely enough I never played Elite Dangerous on it, despite being addicted to that for months. It's one of those mmorpg paced games, play while watching netflix end/or doing other stuff. Nor is it comfortable for Civilization, Tropico etc. ETS2 was perfect for it though. I'm waiting for the US based follow up.  (Currently playing the crew on it, average game, doesn't run great, awesome map to explore, worth $20, ignore all the micro transactions)



Sprash said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
Sprash said:

So let's see my price listing:

+300€ Console (plus I got one game)

+50 Ps+ (one year)

-100 I saved from the ps+ one year subscription (today I saved 15 bucks for Metro the last night as a ps+ subscriber for example)

+25€ for every game I buy for retail (never buy games for more than 30 bucks and never will)

+ 3-10 bucks for some digital games

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That's 600€-650€ for a ps4 with 11 retail games, 10 digital games and 20 Indie Games, would I really spend less money for a pc? I still would have 150€-100€ save before you have your 750€ pc.

Like I said nothing is expensive if you know how to spend your money (pc and console gaming).

And a mobile user could chime in and say they play plenty of awesome games for absolutely nothing. I guess that means console gaming is a waste of money.

No matter how you wanna slice it, software and services cost wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy less on PC. More than enough to offset the higher initial cost for hardware, unless you go crazy with your rig or are one of those enthusiasts who constantly upgrades.

No, It's correct that software is cheaper on pc (not so much anymore with the playstation network also offering cheap sales) but the hardware is more expensive so one isn't really that cheaper than the other one, it is up to everyone how much money they spend on gaming. For me Console gaming is cheaper (I know how to spend my money to get the best experience).

Bolded: I don't know what a dumb comment that is but like I said if you know how to spend your money both platforms are cheap. For you it's the pc platform and for me the ps platform let's drop it at that.

You don't know anything about PC software prices if you're trying to compare PS+ sales to PC sales or even normal prices lol.

PC gaming is cheaper no matter how you spend your money. These sales you wait months on so you don't have to spend more than $30 on a game, is the normal price I would pay for a AAA title. And we're talking in general here. Some people only buy 1 game a year. Some people buy used. In general, PC gaming is cheaper.



zero129 said:
Chazore said:
zero129 said:
Chazore said:
This whole value thing is getting a bit silly now since I can see the goal posts shifting.

PC gaming definitely does save you money in the long run and yes it;s just as good for "pure gaming".

Clearly thats what "some" console fans has to do, everytime they get an answer they call bullshit or change the goal post to something else.

Even with the OP its clear what his plan was with this thread. In fact ive asked him twice now for pics of his rig with no response. Im starting to think maybe the whole OP was lies??.

Yeah I've noticed it oevr time, so much so that 4k didn't matter but apparently nwo it does in this topic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=209455&page=1

All that talk of how 4k doesn't matter at all when it comes to PC but people are now trying to dream it being entirely possible with PS4 or even PS5 lol. I love it how each gen it doesn't matter when PC is ahead of the curve but when a console gets it later on in the game it apparently matters, this is what amazes me about the obsessive goal shifting.

I dunno about the OP though but the topic has more or less shifted to consoles>PC in terms of value and money/perf gains and all that jazz, ona  place like VGC you're not going to really get a well thought out civil discussion without one side shifting posts.

Indeed, First it was 1080P didnt matter, then 1080P@60FPS wasnt such a big deal and took away from "Cinamatic gaming", Then 4k is not such a big deal etc.

And that thread is just so funny and shows a few posters clear agenda against PC.

Throughout the thread I have been trying to keep a positive light onto both sides, especially PC. I've supported the fact that PC gaming's high input allows better gameplay for certain genres (RTS, MMORPGs, etc.), accepted the idea that PC gaming is most likely cheaper in the long run and that PCs are more of a everyday need/utility than consoles, so a higher price is justifiable since it can do a million other task besides gaming. I even admitted that I should have spent more time researching.

Just check my posts. If those can't convince you that I'm not trying to take both sides than I don't know what I can do.

The entire thread is based on the value (money) of PC gaming VS console gaming out of the box (machines of about the same specs).

When it comes to solely and purely gaming reason, dollar per dollar value, console beats PC gaming initially because it's cheaper and you do not need to go through the hassle of researching and building the rig. I admit my opening response is very rough against PCs, but that's just because of the BS argument that PCs can be cheaper than consoles from the ground-up thrown by certain people in the community. 

And to assure you that I've actually went through creating a PC, below is my build. Price is a bit more expensive considering the generator doesn't factor shipping, includes different stores and might factor mail-in rebates. Also does not include keyboard, monitor and other accessories I might have bought.

PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/TpQVNG

Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/TpQVNG/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($140.03 @ Vuugo) 

Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($56.03 @ Vuugo) 

Memory: Team Dark 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($63.98 @ Newegg Canada) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($57.03 @ Vuugo) 

Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 380 4GB Video Card  ($295.54 @ Newegg Canada) 

Case: Antec VSK-4000 ATX Mid Tower Case 

Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply  ($52.99 @ NCIX) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit)  ($122.00 @ shopRBC) 

Total: $787.60

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-23 10:22 EDT-0400

Here's a picture of my build: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx5bCq6tq5NJZ2s1WmgxdWRKOFk/view?usp=sharing

Only thing I wish I had done is invest on a quad processor instead of my dual one. I'll buy an i7 if I ever see on a really good deal (or i5 if the discount is good enough). As of now I've been able to play everygame very smoothly. I even managed to run Star Citizen on its highest settings with just a few hiccups.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Sprash said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
Sprash said:

So let's see my price listing:

+300€ Console (plus I got one game)

+50 Ps+ (one year)

-100 I saved from the ps+ one year subscription (today I saved 15 bucks for Metro the last night as a ps+ subscriber for example)

+25€ for every game I buy for retail (never buy games for more than 30 bucks and never will)

+ 3-10 bucks for some digital games

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That's 600€-650€ for a ps4 with 11 retail games, 10 digital games and 20 Indie Games, would I really spend less money for a pc? I still would have 150€-100€ save before you have your 750€ pc.

Like I said nothing is expensive if you know how to spend your money (pc and console gaming).

And a mobile user could chime in and say they play plenty of awesome games for absolutely nothing. I guess that means console gaming is a waste of money.

No matter how you wanna slice it, software and services cost wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy less on PC. More than enough to offset the higher initial cost for hardware, unless you go crazy with your rig or are one of those enthusiasts who constantly upgrades.

No, It's correct that software is cheaper on pc (not so much anymore with the playstation network also offering cheap sales) but the hardware is more expensive so one isn't really that cheaper than the other one, it is up to everyone how much money they spend on gaming. For me Console gaming is cheaper (I know how to spend my money to get the best experience).

Bolded: I don't know what a dumb comment that is but like I said if you know how to spend your money both platforms are cheap. For you it's the pc platform and for me the ps platform let's drop it at that.

You don't know anything about PC software prices if you're trying to compare PS+ sales to PC sales or even normal prices lol.

PC gaming is cheaper no matter how you spend your money. These sales you wait months on so you don't have to spend more than $30 on a game, is the normal price I would pay for a AAA title. And we're talking in general here. Some people only buy 1 game a year. Some people buy used. In general, PC gaming is cheaper.

PC software: cheaper

PC hardware: expensive

For you PC gaming is cheaper and for me console gaming is cheaper, let's move on this thread has been derailed enough.



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Sprash said:

PC software: cheaper

PC hardware: expensive

For you PC gaming is cheaper and for me console gaming is cheaper, let's move on this thread has been derailed enough.  


See I get where LudicrousSpeed is coming from but really what you're trying to prove here is that the two are exatly 100% evenly the same and they clearly aren't, you are trying to set  the two as being the same through and through, both markets are vastly different and currently as is one has a lot mroe over the other and it's not the PS4, that's something that honestly needs to be accepted, the two different platforms are not on complete equal footing and likely never will be.

Besides the thread has been like this for two pages now, all this thread will evr become is what one has over the other and then as we're seeing here, both are apparentlky even as anything to the known world when again that isn't true and that's what OP tried to point out but ended up tapering off the main point near the end (also didn't help that he mentioned the build not being as good as he wanted it to be which is actively hampering his actual experience and making him sway to the other side which honestly is all on himself, not the platform).

 



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Chazore said:
Sprash said:

PC software: cheaper

PC hardware: expensive

For you PC gaming is cheaper and for me console gaming is cheaper, let's move on this thread has been derailed enough.  


See I get where LudicrousSpeed is coming from but really what you're trying to prove here is that the two are exatly 100% evenly the same and they clearly aren't, you are trying to set  the two as being the same through and through, both markets are vastly different and currently as is one has a lot mroe over the other and it's not the PS4, that's something that honestly needs to be accepted, the two different platforms are not on complete equal footing and likely never will be.

Besides the thread has been like this for two pages now, all this thread will evr become is what one has over the other and then as we're seeing here, both are apparentlky even as anything to the known world when again that isn't true and that's what OP tried to point out but ended up tapering off the main point near the end (also didn't help that he mentioned the build not being as good as he wanted it to be which is actively hampering his actual experience and making him sway to the other side which honestly is all on himself, not the platform).

 


He literally just conceded to having different preferences and that's why he's console, but at the ame time conceding that PC is better for some. Your addition to this argument is moot and only serve to stir up more trouble. 

 

Someone needs to lock this thread up. It's being derailed as we speak into less of a "Console v. PC" and more of a "Console Vs PC" (the difference is one is a debate, and the other is just an argument).



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zero129 said:

Thats not the same build you posted in the OP? it seems you changed the GPU?? anyway good choice. Also you should have no problem beating the PS4 in every game with that PC (But your right the CPU might be a bit of a bottleneck but maybe DX12 will help with that??)

Anyway nice pc mate good job im proud of you .

And sorry for accusing you but you explained yourself very well here.


If nothing else, I'm at least glad we've gotten into a good understanding. Also I did put a note in the middle of my OP to state that I didn't go with the build shown, it was just an example. I should rewrite the OP to be less biased (entirely my fault, it was more at the time but I've learned a lot from both building and reading some comments here), but at this point I don't think that's going to do any good. But anyway,  thanks a lot buddy! 

*Also prices are CAD $



Azuren said:
Chazore said:


See I get where LudicrousSpeed is coming from but really what you're trying to prove here is that the two are exatly 100% evenly the same and they clearly aren't, you are trying to set  the two as being the same through and through, both markets are vastly different and currently as is one has a lot mroe over the other and it's not the PS4, that's something that honestly needs to be accepted, the two different platforms are not on complete equal footing and likely never will be.

Besides the thread has been like this for two pages now, all this thread will evr become is what one has over the other and then as we're seeing here, both are apparentlky even as anything to the known world when again that isn't true and that's what OP tried to point out but ended up tapering off the main point near the end (also didn't help that he mentioned the build not being as good as he wanted it to be which is actively hampering his actual experience and making him sway to the other side which honestly is all on himself, not the platform).

 


He literally just conceded to having different preferences and that's why he's console, but at the ame time conceding that PC is better for some. Your addition to this argument is moot and only serve to stir up more trouble. 

 

Someone needs to lock this thread up. It's being derailed as we speak into less of a "Console v. PC" and more of a "Console Vs PC" (the difference is one is a debate, and the other is just an argument).


I don't see any arguments just debating. Maybe you're taking stuff to personally? Once insults are being thrown around then you'll have a point.



Danman27 said:
You can't build something as strong as the ps4 for the price of the ps4, especially if you're factoring in OS. Building a PC for less than $800 is dumb IMO because you don't really start seeing large benefits over the PS4's power until around that price range. I'm not saying that you can't make a strong PC for 5 or 600, but I just don't think the increase in power is great enough to really make that much of a note of it.

There are other reasons to game on PC than power. So for $450-500 you can match the PS4 and get the benefits of PC gaming (modding, customizable hardware that is upgradeable, more versatile media sharing, emulation, etc, etc.)