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spemanig said:
Saeko said:
I am from switzerland, i don't care if they accept to live like we do, i just don't want radical muslim around, but i don't see any problem to help people who have need !


And here's the winning post.

No one has to assimilate shit. Just don't kill people and you're good. "Living as the Roman's do" is how diversity in culture dies.


Fuck diversity and everything it stands for (which is usually nothing)

A culture is bound to the specific people it comes from. Once it starts to change due to outside cirmustances, it is no longer the original culture, and thus, not a culture at all.

Go try to preach that shit to some countries and regions that are nowhere near diverse like Europe is, like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran and Japan. I can already see the beautiful diversity flourish in Teheran and Islamabad once the enlightend, morally superior progressive lefties of the west start enforcing it.



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Mr.Playstation said:
Lawlight said:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=be8_1441383940


Is this for real?


Yeps. And the pictures that I have seen are even worse - good food and amenities thrashed all around.



As for the for so called "refugees crisis in Europe".

Few theses: 1) it's going to be worse in coming years, further destabilization of the Near East is the main factor (in creation of which certain political cicrles of EU and European nations have put their hands on btw); 2) the problem is not they're Muslims or different in another way, even though that is nothing to scoof at, but because they do not work enough (even they're willing to, I doubt there'll be enough jobs for aborigines, let alone refugees) to cover for social and assosiated costs for the countries that're accepting them, the result is raisining social burden, which is over the top for great deal of European countries as it is, social, ethnic, whatever tensions; 3) in turn that'll provoke instability within the European countries, left and right critics alike (up to very radical ones) will certainly take their chances to undermine current political stability, alines will certainly fuel this in one way or another (as participants or as bugaboos, or both); 4) other regions, like Central Asia, due to accumulated economic imbalances similar on smaller scale to the ones in EU and possible actions of interesants within and outside the region (involvement of very high-ranking officials in the recent escapade of Islamic Renaissance in Tajikistan should be among early red flags) will certainly join the instability parade with more or less the same consequences; 5) there's no leading force that could single-handedly solve exisiting problems, US included, which is counter-productive anyway, other forces mutual relationships are too complicated to work for stability; 6) EU's future is vague, in the long term errecting of rather odious nation-centric regimes in Europe as problem solver is a possiblity.

All in all, welcome to the brave new world :D



Lawlight said:
Burek said:
Lawlight said:


Sorry, you're wrong. Croatia has a very minuscule Muslim population - 1.47%. If it was any bigger they'd be claiming for Sharia law. And wasn't it this year that Muslims caused trouble because of a theatre performance in your country?

Those poor people need to be screened to make sure they're not criminals.

Sorry, but you are wrong to call me wrong from your couch surfing wikipedia wherever you are since you hid your profile.

The very fact is that many Muslims are well integrated into society and are perhaps not even religious to declare as such, and that many of them declare themselves as Croats. My city has about 8-10% of Muslims, and they are exactly the same as any other person. To even imply that they would even consider Sharia law if they reached a certain percentage is naive, stupid and insulting to them and to our entire society.

As for the theatrical performance, it was not the Muslims complaining at all. It was a show in my city, and Croats including myself protested that the County was supposed to give €100.000 (it's a public theater event) to put on the play written by a declared racist and chauvinist (Houllebecq). We did not want to financially support such people, just as we wouldn't support any hatred towards any other color, culture, creed or religion. The play itself had nothing to do with religion at all, it was just the playwright that was unacceptable.

Theater found funding elsewhere, the plays were shown, nothing happened because nothing was ever going to happen anyway. (Oh, and the play sucked after all).

And of course those people need to be screened to see if they are criminals, but that's nothing different than is done today where at the border crossings customs officials screen Swiss, Norwegian Japanese, American or Peruvian tourists to see whether they are criminals.

 

Based on the first post, you should have deduced that I'm in Australia. A country where the Australia Federation of Muslim Council has been asking for the Sharia Law so you're just showing your ignorance, naïveté and bias.

As for the for theatre performance, it was cancelled because some savages cannot handle freedom of expression in the form of art. Do people riot when Jesus is caricaturised in Croatia? I call BS on people complaining about the playwright. The motives aren't dissimilar from what happened at Charlie Hebdo - harm to those who "insult" Islam.


You haven't read what I wrote about the play. It was not cancelled, it was held as scheduled. The only difference is that it was not funded by lical government.

The play had nothing to do with Islam, it was about love, sex and relationships. The only reason it was not funded was the playwright who is a declared racist. Nobody rioted, there were no protests, it was a civilized discussion in which our Governor refused funding. 

 

Also, please understand that I wrote my first post to say that we as a country have nothing against Muslims because we have a portion of them as our countrymen, and they are completely integrated in all aspects of society, from holding high ranking governmental offices, being heads of institutions as well as our neighbors, friends and family. 

I wanted to show that it is posiible for Muslims to live according to the laws of the land they are in, and that refugees would be welcome to join them. Two of our national football team players are Syrians, their family integrated into our society, why refuse the others to do the same.

Therefore my initial post was not trying to comment on Australia and the problems you might have there. Ir is irrelevant to Croatia and my stance on refugees coming over here.



Is a restoration of the Caliphate the only possible way to re-stablize the middle east at this point? And I mean a Caliphate that actually follows the religion it claims to be a part of.



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This type of thing is what the USA has been dealing with for years. Sucks to see it happen anywhere though. People should be able to feel safe and welcomed in their country of origin, and not have to flee elsewhere, for whatever reason.



MohammadBadir said:
Is a restoration of the Caliphate the only possible way to re-stablize the middle east at this point? And I mean a Caliphate that actually follows the religion it claims to be a part of.

Re-stabilize? Maybe. As a permanent solution? Hell, no.

Has there ever been a truely stable and free theocracy?



Lawlight said:
forest-spirit said:
These people aren't coming here for a vacation or because they "felt like it", they're fleeing from war, terror, extremism, oppression, etc. They're leaving their whole lives behind for a dangerous, in many cases fatal, journey into unfamiliar lands, with no other personal properties except for what they could fit into a backpack. Access to clean water, food, medicine, means to take care of personal hygiene, etc. is in no way guaranteed. Some are old, crippled, sick; some are parents dragging their children along to hopefully find a safe place for them to live in, fully knowing that the children might get lost or die along the way; some are young ones desperately doing what they can to not let go of the hand that leads them.
I feel for these people and I want the European nations to do as much as possible for them.

It's not an optimal situation by any means and I'm sure most would agree (both Europeans and refugees) that it would be better if they could just continue to live their lives in their own countries. But with the current situation in the Middle-East that's just not possible and because of that we have these massive waves of refugees pouring into Europe. They have nowhere else to go. We can't really expect them to drop dead or vanish into thin air, can we? So what else can we do but to let them into Europe and make the best out of the situation.

Have a look around on Google - those "refugees" are wasting and throwing away food.


Wow, some refugees are being idiots. I guess they're all idiots then, and the ones that show gratitude are nothing but lying scumbags.

Keep your generalisations to yourself, good sir.



pearljammer said:
MohammadBadir said:
Is a restoration of the Caliphate the only possible way to re-stablize the middle east at this point? And I mean a Caliphate that actually follows the religion it claims to be a part of.

Re-stabilize? Maybe. As a permanent solution? Hell, no.

Has there ever been a truely stable and free theocracy?

Permanent or not, the middle east need stability first. lol. Also, I suppose previous Caliphates were what you described? idk.



Soundwave said:
beeje13 said:


I'd imagine many migrants 'selected' to go to Poland for example, would refuse, and travel to their preferred country afterwards anyway. Quite amusing how nobody wants to go to Russia and other Eastern European countries. 

Can you blame them though really? 

Put yourself in their shoes and you have to start a new life somewhere else with kids in tow. Obviously you probably would choose Germany or UK or Sweden over Poland or Hungary where the job you can get pays more and the standard of living is higher. 

It's not just economic reason that drives people to choose Germany and UK over Eastearn Europe or Russia. I've never been to any Eastern European country, so I may be wrong. However I have Lithuanian, Latvian and Polish friends who told me that their countries are extremely racist and xenophobic. A counsin of my Lithuanian friend had moved to England a few years ago, after a few months here he returned to his country, because he couldn't stand black people. I know it's just one example, and I'm not saying that they're all racist and bad peolpe. But I think those wouldn't be good places to settle any refugees.