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scorpion-tail said:
Angelv577 said:

Looking at the game now, it's obvious the Wii U couldn't handle what we have now considering the ps4/xb1 versions have problem achieving 60fps. The Wii U is comparable to ps3/xb360 so if those versions were cancelled, the logical route was to cancel the Wii U version as well. The things that doesn't sense is that they said they had a version running well so I guess either that was a completely different version before ps4/xb1 released or they have been lying all this time. Hard to know the truth.

the delusion that never ends.


I think thats what people actually think of your posts. You clearly have very little understanding of hardware.  It's a fact the wii u's main memory is much lower bandwidth that ps3 and 360 and the cpu performance is much less. It also lacks a hard drive and the ability to stream in data quickly. Not forgetting  it uses the same dated and low cost fabricaiton process as the 360 and PS3 not the 28nm  process of the ps4/xbone. Then to add to that it actually uses far less power than 360 and PS3. The only unknown is the GPU but much of the fabrication space is taken up by wii gpu and other area's related to streaming the image to the gamepad.

However even if you ignore that the vast majority of wii u games simply don't perform at the same level as ps3 and 360.

So you have this huge body of evidence and yet people like yourself who choose their own warped reality instead of looking at the facts still pretend the wii u is powerful.

It never was, it's the same situation as the original wii, weak hardware sold at inflated prices. Doesn't mean it s a bad console and doesn't mean it doesn't have fantastic games but it simply isn't capable of matching 360 and PS3 for many games due to low cpu performance and that additional 1/2GB of memory  is not a full substitute for a built in hard drive especially as its very low bandwidth.

I own all three consoles and its an easy win for 360 and PS3 when it comes to technically accomplished games you can pretend otherwise but that is the reality.

Of course many parts of the wii u are superior to 360 and PS3 but then many other parts are much inferior, the end result is  a console that generally performs to a lower level than ps3 and 360 but for some games can outperform them due to its more recent gpu architecture and larger 32MB of fast memory.  Clearly though if a game needs large cpu resources then the wii u will struggle because it simply isn't competitive at all in cpu performance.

If the wii u was on that graph for cpu performance it would be about 15 and for gpu performance likely around 176-352 gflops likely 176 gflops. The ps3 gpu about 200 and the xbox gpu about 250.  Admittedly though even at 176 gflops the wii u gpu would easily outperform 360 and PS3 as its a later architecture with a much improved feature set and is linked to 32MB of very fast memory but that still won't help with its ridiculously low cpu performance.

 



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bonzobanana said:
scorpion-tail said:

the delusion that never ends.


I think thats what people actually think of your posts. You clearly have very little understanding of hardware.  It's a fact the wii u's main memory is much lower bandwidth that ps3 and 360 and the cpu performance is much less. It also lacks a hard drive and the ability to stream in data quickly. Not forgetting  it uses the same dated and low cost fabricaiton process as the 360 and PS3 not the 28nm  process of the ps4/xbone. Then to add to that it actually uses far less power than 360 and PS3. The only unknown is the GPU but much of the fabrication space is taken up by wii gpu and other area's related to streaming the image to the gamepad.

However even if you ignore that the vast majority of wii u games simply don't perform at the same level as ps3 and 360.

So you have this huge body of evidence and yet people like yourself who choose their own warped reality instead of looking at the facts still pretend the wii u is powerful.

It never was, it's the same situation as the original wii, weak hardware sold at inflated prices. Doesn't mean it s a bad console and doesn't mean it doesn't have fantastic games but it simply isn't capable of matching 360 and PS3 for many games due to low cpu performance and that additional 1/2GB of memory  is not a full substitute for a built in hard drive especially as its very low bandwidth.

I own all three consoles and its an easy win for 360 and PS3 when it comes to technically accomplished games you can pretend otherwise but that is the reality.

Of course many parts of the wii u are superior to 360 and PS3 but then many other parts are much inferior, the end result is  a console that generally performs to a lower level than ps3 and 360 but for some games can outperform them due to its more recent gpu architecture and larger 32MB of fast memory.  Clearly though if a game needs large cpu resources then the wii u will struggle because it simply isn't competitive at all in cpu performance.

If the wii u was on that graph for cpu performance it would be about 15 and for gpu performance likely around 176-352 gflops likely 176 gflops. The ps3 gpu about 200 and the xbox gpu about 250.  Admittedly though even at 176 gflops the wii u gpu would easily outperform 360 and PS3 as its a later architecture with a much improved feature set and is linked to 32MB of very fast memory but that still won't help with its ridiculously low cpu performance.

 


Don't waste your time with him.  he knows that he will get ban before any reply, besides, he is the one that believe Wii U is comparable to ps4/xb1 so it's pointless arguing with him.  let him enjoy being in his alternate life believing whatever he wants.



I honestly expected this to get announced a long while ago! Oh well.



                
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Basically it's the wrong game for the platform, so really no surprise. Core nintendo fans seem to be not interested in this type of racer, and as Wii U pretty much only has core Nintendo fans buying it the sales potential was low to start with. Add in the fact that the game can't possibly look as good as it does on the other platforms and there is really nothing that can sell the game to Wii U owners. And for those who have more than one platform a Wii U version has about a 0.1% chance of being the version such people will buy.

It was the right decision to can it, but it was a wrong decision to put Wii U into the mix in the first place. 3rd parties have to be smart about what games they target at the Wii U. They basically need to thread the needle of making games that appeal to this specific demographic, but at the same time not simply make knock offs of Nintendo franchises. You don't release 'Hyper Maria Sisters' on Wii U and expect it to sell.



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FloatingWaffles said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

^^
He won't ever answer you, he's been permabanned. And I suspect he wouldn't have backed his rants with solid facts anyway. I'm quite sure that saying Wii U is just a little more powerful than PS3 and XB360 isn't correct and it's excessively harsh towards Wii U, but even if it were almost as powerful as PS4 and XBOne, at least CPU-wise, far smaller RAM could make all that power fully usable only when games are small enough, wasting its potential in the largest ones. With scalable graphics engines, OTOH, weaker GPU and smaller graphics RAM aren't a problem, as long as graphics are good enough for the target, if graphics performances are above the minimum that can handle the scalable engines used during the console's current gen.

PS: But all this means that a game can be cancelled not only if it's too large to be handled by Wii U RAM, but also if the intended target demands graphics beyond its capabilities (or at least if the devs or the publishers think so), so the hurdles between 3rd party multiplats and a Wii U version can be bigger than those caused by purely technical reasons, and with a user base not big this can hit 3rd party library really bad.

I know he's permabanned, but he was an alt account. And this person has made several alt accounts from what i've seen so I won't be surprised if he makes another and responds back.

Also I never said the Wii U was just a little more powerful than the PS3 and Xbox 360, I agree that saying that is overly harsh for those that do. But it is more of an in-between console in the sense that it is quite more powerful than the 360 and PS3 but not as much as the PS4 and Xbox One. Like I said, games look beautiful on the Wii U though so regardless of power it doesn't make a difference since the games look great. 

Oh yes, I agree with you, I just caught the opportunity to point out some things.



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Geez, without the serial "altaccounter" this thread is dead and buried! Mods, what have you done!



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binary solo said:
Basically it's the wrong game for the platform, so really no surprise. Core nintendo fans seem to be not interested in this type of racer, and as Wii U pretty much only has core Nintendo fans buying it the sales potential was low to start with. Add in the fact that the game can't possibly look as good as it does on the other platforms and there is really nothing that can sell the game to Wii U owners. And for those who have more than one platform a Wii U version has about a 0.1% chance of being the version such people will buy.

It was the right decision to can it, but it was a wrong decision to put Wii U into the mix in the first place. 3rd parties have to be smart about what games they target at the Wii U. They basically need to thread the needle of making games that appeal to this specific demographic, but at the same time not simply make knock offs of Nintendo franchises. You don't release 'Hyper Maria Sisters' on Wii U and expect it to sell.

can't really say that when they never had one in the first place since Nintendo never made one lol. 



 

 

Cobretti2 said:
binary solo said:
Basically it's the wrong game for the platform, so really no surprise. Core nintendo fans seem to be not interested in this type of racer, and as Wii U pretty much only has core Nintendo fans buying it the sales potential was low to start with. Add in the fact that the game can't possibly look as good as it does on the other platforms and there is really nothing that can sell the game to Wii U owners. And for those who have more than one platform a Wii U version has about a 0.1% chance of being the version such people will buy.

It was the right decision to can it, but it was a wrong decision to put Wii U into the mix in the first place. 3rd parties have to be smart about what games they target at the Wii U. They basically need to thread the needle of making games that appeal to this specific demographic, but at the same time not simply make knock offs of Nintendo franchises. You don't release 'Hyper Maria Sisters' on Wii U and expect it to sell.

can't really say that when they never had one in the first place since Nintendo never made one lol. 

I'm assuming Nintendo knows its core audience well, which is why it's only made kart racers.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

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Unacceptable.



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binary solo said:
Cobretti2 said:

can't really say that when they never had one in the first place since Nintendo never made one lol. 

I'm assuming Nintendo knows its core audience well, which is why it's only made kart racers.

or it doesn't have the resources or skills to make every genre themselves