haha Italy agreeing with everyone that they arent trustworthy! XD
And france entirely torn on who is the most arrogant around here, at least they keep it in the family.
And everyone but the germans think they're vulcan robots. Trustworthy vulcan robots though. And Greece just hates Germany. I think they might have a little inferiosity complex going on there.

Eherm, on topic of this whole mess I mostly have to say that part of my family lives in greece/is greek and I'm worried about them.
I feel like letting greece default is a terrible outcome and the cries to kick them out of the financial union as well as the EU strike me as respectless and lacking solidarity. I mean, hell, the word Europe is greek for chistsake!
It might have been a couple thousand years ago, but anicient greek culture, values, ideas, politics and sience shape our culture to this date. I feel like thats got to be worth something. Kicking greece out, would be like throwing your sickly old greatgrandfather under the bus because you didn't want to pay his medical bills. While disregarding that he build the house you fucking live in.
I get that this is a very idealstic way of loking at things. And that real pragmatism is what is needed right now to help greece.
Frankly I think their governement is doing a pretty shit job at that right now, but at least the vote Papoulias proposed now will likely give him the excuse to cave in to EU demands.

I'm talking facts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Agreement_on_German_External_Debts

And btw, you still have not payed back war reparations to one nation: Greece.

And to anyone wondering why we're about to take a leap into the unknown (even catastrophe) take a look here:

https://twitter.com/FabioSdogati/status/614893505077510144/photo/1

Losing 26% of your GDP makes your Debt / GDP ratio gigantic (170%) and unsustainable. I'm all for repaying every single penny we borrowed, but the truth is that it simply cannot be done now. Imagine Italy's 130% debt with a 26% GDP loss.

Well, there was a verdict for this case but anyway: Germans are not the only ones who refuse to give Greece more money as you can also burn the money and it would have the same effect. What do you want to tell to other nations?

I like that Germany is generally viewed as the most trustworthy but least compassionate.  Really though, has any country rested on its laurels harder than Greece? 

Time. The same chance Germany was given when they were on the brink of (economic) destruction. Freeze debt payments until our economy recovers (say 5 years), then tie the debt payments to the GDP growth and exports.

It's not like Germany is losing money anyways. Your bonds have the lowest yield and interest and you save billions to fuel your economy.

You don't want to tell me that the situation is equivalent? Greece didn't have a war and now needs to rebuild. And Greece will never be an industry nation as Germany. The whole country is totally different, relying a lot on tourism, for example.

There is a huge problem with the Greece mentality. Well, not problem... But they are different like every other country in EU is different. You have a lot of problems to solve which wouldn't be there if Greece hadn't got the Euro. Well, the other states at least wouldn't have the problem, perhaps Greece would still have trouble with Drachme but this wouldn't have a big impact like it now does.

By now I don't see what the current Greece government is trying to make better the next years, I don't even see that they have done anything when they started. You can't expect money on promises.

Also Greece government representatives don't behave like people who want money in any way, infact they are even arrogant and always blame others to be at fault while not saying with a single word that the problems Greece has are completely housemade and now they want others to help them, again.

Cherry picking at its finest. Who started the war? Who destroyed an entire continent? Meanwhile Greece lied about some numbers (although I'll never believe that the EU had no idea about it, they just liked the idea of a rich Greece buying EU products) and is getting demolished economically while everyone's against us, blaming us for everything wrong in the continent, while using us as shields from the markets.

And, while I agree we're the first ones to blame for this situation (for starters, we should have never adopted the Euro), we're certainly not the only problem of the EU. If Greece, wasn't in the eye of the storm, Portugal would be. And you can bet that it will be, as soon as we go down.

that is why they are also the most compassionate country in their own. 

anyway i think this should be in the political subforum or so.

Oh please, the victim card... Yeah, sure.

But I agree, the Euro was bad for Greece and now all others have to pay for it. In fact, if you ask Germans, we didn't want the Euro either. Deutsche Mark was a very strong currency and one of the main factors for the Euro to begin with.

But now we have it, Greece is done with, no matter how much money we will give them. Cut the debts, let them begin from anew and that's it. If this leads to the destruction of the Euro as a currency in a whole, ok. Germans will easily get back to a strong national currency.

I really like the idea of Europe as a whole, really. But the EU is something we don't need for this and the Euro is also unnecessary, in my opinion. Open borders? Sure. Vacancy in other european countries? Sure! I enjoyed Kreta last year a lot! But please no orchestration from "above".