routsounmanman said:
walsufnir said:
You don't want to tell me that the situation is equivalent? Greece didn't have a war and now needs to rebuild. And Greece will never be an industry nation as Germany. The whole country is totally different, relying a lot on tourism, for example.
There is a huge problem with the Greece mentality. Well, not problem... But they are different like every other country in EU is different. You have a lot of problems to solve which wouldn't be there if Greece hadn't got the Euro. Well, the other states at least wouldn't have the problem, perhaps Greece would still have trouble with Drachme but this wouldn't have a big impact like it now does.
By now I don't see what the current Greece government is trying to make better the next years, I don't even see that they have done anything when they started. You can't expect money on promises.
Also Greece government representatives don't behave like people who want money in any way, infact they are even arrogant and always blame others to be at fault while not saying with a single word that the problems Greece has are completely housemade and now they want others to help them, again.
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Cherry picking at its finest. Who started the war? Who destroyed an entire continent? Meanwhile Greece lied about some numbers (although I'll never believe that the EU had no idea about it, they just liked the idea of a rich Greece buying EU products) and is getting demolished economically while everyone's against us, blaming us for everything wrong in the continent, while using us as shields from the markets.
And, while I agree we're the first ones to blame for this situation (for starters, we should have never adopted the Euro), we're certainly not the only problem of the EU. If Greece, wasn't in the eye of the storm, Portugal would be. And you can bet that it will be, as soon as we go down.
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Oh please, the victim card... Yeah, sure.
But I agree, the Euro was bad for Greece and now all others have to pay for it. In fact, if you ask Germans, we didn't want the Euro either. Deutsche Mark was a very strong currency and one of the main factors for the Euro to begin with.
But now we have it, Greece is done with, no matter how much money we will give them. Cut the debts, let them begin from anew and that's it. If this leads to the destruction of the Euro as a currency in a whole, ok. Germans will easily get back to a strong national currency.
I really like the idea of Europe as a whole, really. But the EU is something we don't need for this and the Euro is also unnecessary, in my opinion. Open borders? Sure. Vacancy in other european countries? Sure! I enjoyed Kreta last year a lot! But please no orchestration from "above".
