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SubiyaCryolite on 20 May 2015
Eddie_Raja said:
Tons of info in the OP is wrong.

Which parts? Most of the info is straight from AMDs presenation?



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JEMC on 20 May 2015
Mummelmann said:
JEMC said:
^So far they are only rumors, like everything involved in the new cards.

But if you go to any tech site, you'll see that since yesterday most of them have articles about AMD and HMB, and most of them talk about 4GB. So while so far it's only a rumor, all signs point to that direction.

That's a real letdown then, I was ready for 8GB!

It could be that at least one of these cards beats the 980 on performance though, I'm going to need more info on pricing before I make my decision. Even though AMD are always great on pricing; the increased noise, heat and driver issues might not be worth the savings in the end.

I think that we all are ready for at least 6 or 8GB.

The pricing worries me. I've read (but not fully understood ) the HMB article on SemiAcurate and it looks like HMB will be more expensive than GDDR5 for a while. I don't know if by much or just a little, but it will be more expensive, which is bad for our interest in keeping the card "cheap".

As for your other cons: drivers are a mistery, specially with DX12 around the corner. I guess it will depend more on how many games use GameWorks and then don't bother making the game run properly on AMD cards. And that means that every Ubisoft game will run poorly (but who buys Ubisoft games, right?). But on the bright side, AMD cards hold better than Nvidia cards over time. Have you seen the benchmarks of The Witcher 3? It runs like sh!t on Nvidia Kepler cards! Of course that has more to do with Nvidia wanting (or forcing) you to upgrade rather than the cards not being able to run the game.

And as for heat and noise, the reference cards will be watercooled so they will make little noise and run quite cool (but ads to the total cost), and third party vendors will probably ship them with their great air coolers that will take good care of them too.



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Mummelmann on 20 May 2015
JEMC said:
Mummelmann said:

That's a real letdown then, I was ready for 8GB!

It could be that at least one of these cards beats the 980 on performance though, I'm going to need more info on pricing before I make my decision. Even though AMD are always great on pricing; the increased noise, heat and driver issues might not be worth the savings in the end.

I think that we all are ready for at least 6 or 8GB.

The pricing worries me. I've read (but not fully understood ) the HMB article on SemiAcurate and it looks like HMB will be more expensive than GDDR5 for a while. I don't know if by much or just a little, but it will be more expensive, which is bad for our interest in keeping the card "cheap".

As for your other cons: drivers are a mistery, specially with DX12 around the corner. I guess it will depend more on how many games use GameWorks and then don't bother making the game run properly on AMD cards. And that means that every Ubisoft game will run poorly (but who buys Ubisoft games, right?). But on the bright side, AMD cards hold better than Nvidia cards over time. Have you seen the benchmarks of The Witcher 3? It runs like sh!t on Nvidia Kepler cards! Of course that has more to do with Nvidia wanting (or forcing) you to upgrade rather than the cards not being able to run the game.

And as for heat and noise, the reference cards will be watercooled so they will make little noise and run quite cool (but ads to the total cost), and third party vendors will probably ship them with their great air coolers that will take good care of them too.

Yeah, I try to avoid stock GPU's, I find that the 3rd party coolers and clockers add more stability and longevity than simply overclocking stock cards.

I hope the driver issues don't persist, if AMD are taking charge of fronting new and more efficient memory solutions and they're already delivering the graphics to all three 8th gen consoles; there really is no huge reason to not back them more in the PC space than developers/publishers have been.



Chazore on 20 May 2015
Mummelmann said:
So no 8GB killer single cards from AMD this year? Is this confirmed or only rumors? If it turns out to be true; I'll be better off just getting the baddest version of the GTX980, which will go down in price quite a bit when these new AMD cards release.

Dammit.


I've been having those feelings too since I read up on this: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-980-ti-gm200-310-maxwell-launch/

I don't think AMD is going to make the impact they've been wanting to make, not as much to push Nvidia to it's knees or even to a point where nvidia has no choice but to lift a finger or two.



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Turkish on 20 May 2015

No 8GB card is such a mistake.

Thus I'm still saving for a Titan X, though there'll probably cheaper 8GB cards by the time I'm ready. I need 8GB min to replace my 2GB 670, the vram usage is gonna explode at 1440p/4K the coming years and 4GB is not gonna cut it.



Arkaign on 20 May 2015

1st gen of tech breakthroughs is seldom a clean and unproblematic event.

Hell, I remember when DDR emerged. It was expensive, and limited in terms of long wait states vs. previous gen SDRAM. I remember testing some specialty PC-166 SDRAM and it was actually faster than my other system running PC1600 DDR memory with an identical processor thanks to lower latency. Of course, DDR took off and left SDRAM behind, and I'm sure a ton of other examples could be found.

2nd gen HBM should be awesome, and not ludicrously expensive hopefully.



Protendo on 21 May 2015

4 GB?
AMD spinning off premium brand as Fiji?
What is going on?



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Mummelmann on 21 May 2015
Turkish said:
No 8GB card is such a mistake.

Thus I'm still saving for a Titan X, though there'll probably cheaper 8GB cards by the time I'm ready. I need 8GB min to replace my 2GB 670, the vram usage is gonna explode at 1440p/4K the coming years and 4GB is not gonna cut it.


Yeah, I'm also going full 1440p and need more video RAM and power.

I honestly don't know what AMD are thinking here.



bunchanumbers on 21 May 2015

I'm definitely not a expert, but wouldn't the speed of the HBM alleviate some of this? I thought that the speed difference of HBM was massive compared to GDDR5.