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Or better still why can't we have religion and religion live in harmony.



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HollyGamer said:
dyremose said:
Aeolus451 said:


I have to agree with that but there's plenty of other regions/countries where religion is the justification behind war and violence. 

Yeah.  The middle east.  Murica  just wields the  bigger stick. History is decided by the Victor. 

Murica have a lot of debt to chinese even murica cannot even defeat Vietnam .


Ah yes, we might as well of just stood in line formations with bright clothes on and fought like that. A president kept the kid gloves and training wheels on the military. Evidently, presidents play the role of general poorly.



ohmylanta1003 said:
SlayerRondo said:
We can and do live side by side in many cases.

But if by side by side you mean atheist respecting your religion then I would have to disagree.

No matter how placid a religion may be, wrong is still wrong.

I respect people to much to pretend to respect some of the non sense they believe.


Lol. I guess you just fucking know everything then, don't ya?

First off all, is there a need to resort to swearing as it just reflects badly on you.

Secondly, I certainly never claimed to know everything anywhere in my comment. I have never seen or heard evidence for the existence of god that was even remotely compelling and I have no problem telling people that.

I would be showing less respect to people if I said I respect their beliefs when I clearly don't.

Why must we cower away from having an honest discussion over our belief's?



This is the Game of Thrones

Where you either win

or you DIE

tokilamockingbrd said:
Atheism is a religion.

They worship something. Whether it be nature or human reason. I think that is why they are fundamentally at odds.


Sorry, but no.

Atheism means they do not believe in any religion. If it cannot be proven to be real, it is assumed that it is not in fact real.

There is no 'worship' involved to deduce this conclusion.

That is like saying Liberalism, or Socialism are religions - this could not be further from the truth. They are ideologies. There is a difference between an ideology and believing in some invisible being. An ideology is an idea, or an opinion of worldly affairs if you will.



The replies were funny. Stick to videogames, VGC.



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Toxy said:
tokilamockingbrd said:
Atheism is a religion.

They worship something. Whether it be nature or human reason. I think that is why they are fundamentally at odds.


Sorry, but no.

Atheism means they do not believe in any religion. If it cannot be proven to be real, it is assumed that it is not in fact real.

There is no 'worship' involved to deduce this conclusion.

That is like saying Liberalism, or Socialism are religions - this could not be further from the truth. They are ideologies. There is a difference between an ideology and believing in some invisible being. An ideology is an idea, or an opinion of worldly affairs if you will.


By your own discription, Atheism is closer to an unorganized religion than to an ideology. The belief in no god(s) or higher power is not much different than a belief in a god or gods. Neither side can disprove or prove their "belief". It might as well be considered a religion in some sense in spite of having no place of worship or priests so that at the very least atheists would have equal rights compared to any religion. There's no point in being so strict on what's considered a religion. People are constantly redefining what a word means or creating new ones to better fit a meaning. 



Aeolus451 said:
Toxy said:


Sorry, but no.

Atheism means they do not believe in any religion. If it cannot be proven to be real, it is assumed that it is not in fact real.

There is no 'worship' involved to deduce this conclusion.

That is like saying Liberalism, or Socialism are religions - this could not be further from the truth. They are ideologies. There is a difference between an ideology and believing in some invisible being. An ideology is an idea, or an opinion of worldly affairs if you will.


By your own discription, Atheism is closer to an unorganized religion than to an ideology. The belief in no god(s) or higher power is not much different than a belief in a god or gods. Neither side can disprove or prove their "belief". It might as well be considered a religion in some sense in spite of having no place of worship or priests so that at the very least atheists would have equal rights compared to any religion. There's no point in being so strict on what's considered a religion. People are constantly redefining what a word means or creating new ones to better fit a meaning. 

Once more: Atheism is not a religion. Period. It is precisely NOT that.

Is not believing in dragons a religion? Or not believing in fairies? Jeez, I seem to be a member of a thousand religions without even knowing. And you too.



Aeolus451 said:
Toxy said:


Sorry, but no.

Atheism means they do not believe in any religion. If it cannot be proven to be real, it is assumed that it is not in fact real.

There is no 'worship' involved to deduce this conclusion.

That is like saying Liberalism, or Socialism are religions - this could not be further from the truth. They are ideologies. There is a difference between an ideology and believing in some invisible being. An ideology is an idea, or an opinion of worldly affairs if you will.


By your own discription, Atheism is closer to an unorganized religion than to an ideology. The belief in no god(s) or higher power is not much different than a belief in a god or gods. Neither side can disprove or prove their "belief". It might as well be considered a religion in some sense in spite of having no place of worship or priests so that at the very least atheists would have equal rights compared to any religion. There's no point in being so strict on what's considered a religion. People are constantly redefining what a word means or creating new ones to better fit a meaning. 


In no way did anything I say represent Atheism as a religion, or an non-organised religion at that.
It is grasping at straws to say that Atheism and religion are two sides of the same coin. Not everything is in black and white.

I gave such a basic example of what an ideology was to draw a comparison on why Atheism is not a religion. Their is no faith involved in Atheism because Atheism is based on what is 'real' not what is assumed to be real. There is a difference. 
Religion assumes that their deity is real, and backs up their belief based on the merit of faith and with no actual evidence.

Can you prove that a Deity is real? That is not a question of faith, but that of an academic mind. Academic's seek answers, not spiritual guidance based on faith. 

Atheists share more in common with an Academic school of thought. A school of thought is not a faith or religion, a school of thought is similar to that of an ideology. 
I was not being strict on what is considered a religion, I was being strict on the misuse of said word.

Agnostic could be considered as a religion because it is open to religion, it is (the Agnostic individual), however, undecided on which religion to take part in.

Atheism rules out religion entirely as it cannot be proven. Atheism believes in facts, not something that is assumed to be real.

Saying Atheism is a religion; is almost as bad as saying Atheists hate 'God'. You cannot hate something that you do not believe is real. 

Atheism does not follow a religious doctrine or believe in spiritual guidance, blind faith etc. I cannot emphasise anymore that Atheism is not a religion, hell it is even in the title of this thread: Why cant we just have Religion and Atheism live in harmony. See, two completely different entities. They have a completely different frame of mind from one another. It is like comparing a pacifist to a murderer, only to go on and call the pacifist a murder. It makes no sense.

 

I will leave it at that, as I am probably drawing the line and close to getting a ban. 



MohammadBadir said:
I do have a personal example. In my class of about 35 people, only 6 people (including me) are religious, and we're always looked down upon by the other guys even though we usually get the highest grades.

High grades tell us that you are willing to sit and study what school throws at you. They don't mean that you are smart enough to not to believe in nonsense.



I would even go so far as to say that atheism is the default position of all newborn babies. It's not until someone teaches children about religion, or indoctrinates them, that religious notions are instilled in them.