| DanRybacki said: As much as many people on this site would love it, it's not happening. They can be highly profitable as long as they don't botch their PR next time around. Xbox is here to stay folks :) |
It was more than just bad PR. That was a product of their terribly anti consumer policies.
"It suddenly just hit me." It hit me when the XBO was announced. And then again when the PS4 was announced. They're both the last traditional consoles in their respective lines.
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First bolded point: This is a way for them to draw more users in, not them giving up on Xbox. It's more of a, "Hey, get our product, because it works with everything," kind of thing. Second bolded point: They got destroyed with the Xbox. The dominated with the Xbox 360 (until the last few years, but still an excellent product). They're not admiting defeat. They did things wrong with this console. They'll (hopefully) learn from it. Third bolded point: Too many people are too invested in Steam. Microsoft should have done this from the start. They didn't, and at this point it would be financial suicide (maybe exagerating, but my point is "no"). Fourth bolded point: As long as there are people who want to pirate there will be pirates. Fifth bolded point: We should never go this route. Ever. Too many issues with lag/latency, that goes back to the requiring an always on internet connection that people were in an uproar over the Xbox One. This simply will not happen. |
I think it's disingenuous to say that the Xbox "destroyed" the PS at any point. The X360 launched a year earlier than the PS3, and the PS3 manages to outsell it.
Insidb said:
I think it's disingenuous to say that the Xbox "destroyed" the PS at any point. The X360 launched a year earlier than the PS3, and the PS3 manages to outsell it. |
I never said they "destroyed" Playstation. I said they dominated the market until the last few years. It doesn't matter if it's because PS3 launched late. The fact was there were more Xbox 360 owners than PS3 owners until the last few years of the last gen consoles.
IFireflyl said:
I never said they "destroyed" Playstation. I said they dominated the market until the last few years. It doesn't matter if it's because PS3 launched late. The fact was there were more Xbox 360 owners than PS3 owners until the last few years of the last gen consoles. |
"Second bolded point: They got destroyed with the Xbox. The dominated with the Xbox 360 (until the last few years, but still an excellent product). They're not admiting defeat. They did things wrong with this console. They'll (hopefully) learn from it."
Please explain what you meant.
| shikamaru317 said: I think that even if they do fully integrate Xbox and Windows 10 gaming into a single platform, they'll keep Xbox around as a sort of Steambox competitor, a living room friendly gaming PC. So even if Xbox One is the last traditonal Xbox console, I think it'll live on in some form or another. |
This pretty much is exactly what I'm thinking too.
Xbox will stay around, but it would basically become a steambox of sorta. Think Xbox made by every and any PC OEM in the very same way they make windows PCs and laptops right now. Different specs different price points. You have windows 10/11, you have an "Xbox".
shikamaru317 said:
Eh, I'm not so sure about that. The original Xbox One vision was basically Steam in console form. Valve managed to sell Steam through good PR, Microsoft botched it with bad PR. |
Nah they had horrible policies and your lucky sony are the dominant console manufacturer which forced them to change.
I dislike cloud gameing, and all this cloud stuff.
For me the future is a dark one.
I want a physical consol, seperate from my pc, that I can game on.
As long as the physical consols get made, they will sell.
Im willing to bet there are ALOT of others that prefer to own the the physical disks of games, and the consols as well, that they play on.
Im willing to bet whoever takes the first step in this dance, is gonna get their feet burnt.
Maybe down the line, it ll work, but I can see alot of people being hesitant of going this route.
(which is gonna heavly favor whoever is the one that hasnt gone that route (atleast short term)).
| spemanig said: "It suddenly just hit me." It hit me when the XBO was announced. And then again when the PS4 was announced. They're both the last traditional consoles in their respective lines. |
ldn't be more wrong. There will always be traditional consoles. Well, at least for at least 1 or two more console generations. There will always be a market for consoles as long as it cost less tobuy a console than to buy a similarly spwcced PC and that consoles remain plug and play.
The rise of things like steam boxes and android consoles is just livibg proof of this. Steamboxes are basically the first steps in the consolization of PCs and I think MS is trying to redirect its focus now to cash in on that. Basically, with windows 10 you won't need steam OS. Windows 10 makes the PC as pkig and play as possible when connected to a HDTV instead of a monitor.
| Intrinsic said: It suddenly just hit me; could this be the last Xbox console we ever see? First signs pointing in this direction is the heavy XBL integration Microsoft is pushing into windows 10. And the second is that I think by now MS probably accepts that they cannot compete with the PS brand on a global scale. So what to do? Focus on PC gaming. PC games pretty much already all (mostly) run on windows and are built using windows APIs (by default). When you think of it, there is no reason something like steam should even exist if MS maximized the basic potential they have with windows. Ms could literally require PC games to have some basic XBL support to be compatible with windows, make their own store to rival steam, and just settle for the cut they will get from sales and forgo royalties. In addition to that, as it stands the only way to get PC games is pretty much to download them, so the platform is already open to whatever kinda DRM MS could choose to impose on games. And if the prices remain as competitive and devs know that as long as they are using DX12/13 and conform to the XBL TOA, there would be DRM protocols put in place that coukd make piracy obsolete. Any and every dev will pretty much get behind that. Make the next Xbox basically be a streaming service that streams games from some sort of dedicated. server like PSnow and Nvidia shield for those that can afford a proper gaming rig and they would still be making a killing in the industry. What do you guys think? |
This has been speculated on forever. It would be better for industry too if MS would just drop this "Stop Sony from dominating the console market" pipe dream they have had for a decade. Sony won, get over it. The sooner you do, the sooner you will stop losing other battles.
Prediction for console Lifetime sales:
Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million
[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]
3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m
I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.
[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]
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