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DonFerrari on 24 January 2015

I so much preffer my console without a power brick. Saves so much mess.



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Insidb on 24 January 2015
Intrinsic said:
Aquietguy said:
I don't see how a PS4 slim is needed considering it's already pretty small. At least compared to the first PS3. A slim is not needed now if ever.

Here is the thing about a slim. When manufacturing of the apu and memory chips shift to 20nm, they can basically half the size of the apu and use only 8 instead of 16 memory chips. they can also put a much smaller cooling unit since the smaller apu draws less power. basically, the size of the board can literally be cut in half. 

It makes less sense putting a smaller board, smaller PSU and smaller fan into an oversized shell. Plastic costs money too you know? and packaging and shipping costs for a smaller console saves a lot of money too.

Sony doesn't make the slims cause its cool, they make them cause it saves them money. 

One of the biggest savings also arises from customized, proprietary boards. There are significant gains to be made by replacing modular components with monolithic ones. Manufacturers traditionally go through a learning by doing process that allows to optimize and relaunch 6 months, 1 year, etc. down the line. Having gone through this process several times myself, I've actually experienced this and the improvements you cited earlier.

There's a lot of money to be saved/made from a slim PS4.



platformmaster918 on 24 January 2015
Aquietguy said:
I don't see how a PS4 slim is needed considering it's already pretty small. At least compared to the first PS3. A slim is not needed now if ever.

if they can make it smaller (higher capacity GDDR5 cards and smaller chips for the APU are out now) they can make it cheaper.  If they can make it cheaper they can pass those savings on to consumers and grow the customer base for more software sales!




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Netyaroze on 25 January 2015
Intrinsic said:
platformmaster918 said:
There is NO way that it is that tiny compared to the original. That would just be epic but I doubt it.

You see that? that big chunk of PS4 is the PSU. On the XB1 it makes that power brick that comes with it. The current PS4 can be about 2/3rd its current size if they made that brick external. 

Now with manufacturing potentially allowing them to use half as much space for the apu,memory and a smaller fan, then with an external PSU, do you really still think its impossible?

Anyways, if that is really how the PS4 slim looks, that's one stupid fine console. 


There was no  node shrink yet. The big manufacturers are still at 28nm there is no 20nm Gpu. The Apu in the PS4 is 28nm all they could currently do is take out the PSU. Which is kinda pointless. If we see 20nm this year its guaranteed that all of the capacities will go to the high end Nvidia AMD Gpus they waited for ages for this node. It wont be really cheaper for Sony to manufacture in 20nm if it arrives this year it wont be a mature node.  

If Sony makes a Slim they will only do it if they can build it cheaper then the previous model. Until the 20nm node is mature and cheap we wont see a Slim

 



Intrinsic on 25 January 2015
Netyaroze said:
Intrinsic said:
platformmaster918 said:
There is NO way that it is that tiny compared to the original. That would just be epic but I doubt it.

You see that? that big chunk of PS4 is the PSU. On the XB1 it makes that power brick that comes with it. The current PS4 can be about 2/3rd its current size if they made that brick external. 

Now with manufacturing potentially allowing them to use half as much space for the apu,memory and a smaller fan, then with an external PSU, do you really still think its impossible?

Anyways, if that is really how the PS4 slim looks, that's one stupid fine console. 


There was no  node shrink yet. The big manufacturers are still at 28nm there is no 20nm Gpu. The Apu in the PS4 is 28nm all they could currently do is take out the PSU. Which is kinda pointless. If we see 20nm this year its guaranteed that all of the capacities will go to the high end Nvidia AMD Gpus they waited for ages for this node. It wont be really cheaper for Sony to manufacture in 20nm if it arrives this year it wont be a mature node.  

If Sony makes a Slim they will only do it if they can build it cheaper then the previous model. Until the 20nm node is mature and cheap we wont see a Slim

 

I agree with you. But TSMC has been producing 20nm chips since last year. The reason you aren't seeing it in GPUs yet is cause GPU manufacturers like nvidia has already vocally stated their displeasure with the die shrink. They say its useless to them and came too late but TSMC is ramping up for 14nm now too. There was already an article about a TSMC engineer saying something along the lines of getting the XB1 apu on a 20nm chip last year too. That's worth mentioning cause the XB1 chip is more complicated than the PS4's, so if they can do it for the XB1 they can do it for the PS4.

Going to 20nm this year wouldn't be a problem for them, especially since tsmc is already making 20nm chips for apple and Qualcomm. What remains to be seen is if so my would wait for the 14nm nodes before making a slim, but that's another 2 years away at best. As it stands, with 20nm APU and memory and an external power brick the can get the PS4 really really small. And when 14nm comes around, they can leave the slim as is and just build the PSU back into the box. 

This is all speculation though, but 20nm chips are accessible.



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iTechHeads on 25 January 2015
Aquietguy said:
I don't see how a PS4 slim is needed considering it's already pretty small. At least compared to the first PS3. A slim is not needed now if ever.

Slim design = Lower Costs For Sony = Lower Cost For Consumers



jennryan3190 on 25 January 2015

It would prob stay the same width to fit the drive and just not be as thick



umegames on 25 January 2015

Looking at those pictures of the phat ps3 reminds me of just how excited i was to get one and how awesome that system was. warhawk >>>>>

I am currently waiting for a new kind of ps4, whether it be a slim model one with a 1TB drive inside.



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jetforcejiminy on 25 January 2015
Protendo said:
jetforcejiminy said:
nah, this is too easy to do in photoshop.


Angled would be challenging.  That being said with 1 8GB sticks, smaller motherboard, and possible die shring.  The timing is about right.

so... didn't i say it was fake?



Netyaroze on 25 January 2015
Intrinsic said:
Netyaroze said:
Intrinsic said:
platformmaster918 said:
There is NO way that it is that tiny compared to the original. That would just be epic but I doubt it.

You see that? that big chunk of PS4 is the PSU. On the XB1 it makes that power brick that comes with it. The current PS4 can be about 2/3rd its current size if they made that brick external. 

Now with manufacturing potentially allowing them to use half as much space for the apu,memory and a smaller fan, then with an external PSU, do you really still think its impossible?

Anyways, if that is really how the PS4 slim looks, that's one stupid fine console. 


There was no  node shrink yet. The big manufacturers are still at 28nm there is no 20nm Gpu. The Apu in the PS4 is 28nm all they could currently do is take out the PSU. Which is kinda pointless. If we see 20nm this year its guaranteed that all of the capacities will go to the high end Nvidia AMD Gpus they waited for ages for this node. It wont be really cheaper for Sony to manufacture in 20nm if it arrives this year it wont be a mature node.  

If Sony makes a Slim they will only do it if they can build it cheaper then the previous model. Until the 20nm node is mature and cheap we wont see a Slim

 

I agree with you. But TSMC has been producing 20nm chips since last year. The reason you aren't seeing it in GPUs yet is cause GPU manufacturers like nvidia has already vocally stated their displeasure with the die shrink. They say its useless to them and came too late but TSMC is ramping up for 14nm now too. There was already an article about a TSMC engineer saying something along the lines of getting the XB1 apu on a 20nm chip last year too. That's worth mentioning cause the XB1 chip is more complicated than the PS4's, so if they can do it for the XB1 they can do it for the PS4.

Going to 20nm this year wouldn't be a problem for them, especially since tsmc is already making 20nm chips for apple and Qualcomm. What remains to be seen is if so my would wait for the 14nm nodes before making a slim, but that's another 2 years away at best. As it stands, with 20nm APU and memory and an external power brick the can get the PS4 really really small. And when 14nm comes around, they can leave the slim as is and just build the PSU back into the box. 

This is all speculation though, but 20nm chips are accessible.



Ofcourse low powered Chips for Phones in 20nm is no problem. But the APU in Xbox/PS4 is not low powered it needs like 20 times more Power then a Phone. Nvidia is precisely not satsified with 20nm because it does not offer a cost advantage. Why would Sony do it if they dont see a cost advantage or MS for that matter. They are accesible theoretically but I doubt its a very efficent and cost effective solution atm.  And I dont see a Slim coming before the 20nm node produced some high end gpus atleast.