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Netyaroze on 25 January 2015
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Intrinsic said:
Netyaroze said:
Intrinsic said:
platformmaster918 said:
There is NO way that it is that tiny compared to the original. That would just be epic but I doubt it.

You see that? that big chunk of PS4 is the PSU. On the XB1 it makes that power brick that comes with it. The current PS4 can be about 2/3rd its current size if they made that brick external. 

Now with manufacturing potentially allowing them to use half as much space for the apu,memory and a smaller fan, then with an external PSU, do you really still think its impossible?

Anyways, if that is really how the PS4 slim looks, that's one stupid fine console. 


There was no  node shrink yet. The big manufacturers are still at 28nm there is no 20nm Gpu. The Apu in the PS4 is 28nm all they could currently do is take out the PSU. Which is kinda pointless. If we see 20nm this year its guaranteed that all of the capacities will go to the high end Nvidia AMD Gpus they waited for ages for this node. It wont be really cheaper for Sony to manufacture in 20nm if it arrives this year it wont be a mature node.  

If Sony makes a Slim they will only do it if they can build it cheaper then the previous model. Until the 20nm node is mature and cheap we wont see a Slim

 

I agree with you. But TSMC has been producing 20nm chips since last year. The reason you aren't seeing it in GPUs yet is cause GPU manufacturers like nvidia has already vocally stated their displeasure with the die shrink. They say its useless to them and came too late but TSMC is ramping up for 14nm now too. There was already an article about a TSMC engineer saying something along the lines of getting the XB1 apu on a 20nm chip last year too. That's worth mentioning cause the XB1 chip is more complicated than the PS4's, so if they can do it for the XB1 they can do it for the PS4.

Going to 20nm this year wouldn't be a problem for them, especially since tsmc is already making 20nm chips for apple and Qualcomm. What remains to be seen is if so my would wait for the 14nm nodes before making a slim, but that's another 2 years away at best. As it stands, with 20nm APU and memory and an external power brick the can get the PS4 really really small. And when 14nm comes around, they can leave the slim as is and just build the PSU back into the box. 

This is all speculation though, but 20nm chips are accessible.



Ofcourse low powered Chips for Phones in 20nm is no problem. But the APU in Xbox/PS4 is not low powered it needs like 20 times more Power then a Phone. Nvidia is precisely not satsified with 20nm because it does not offer a cost advantage. Why would Sony do it if they dont see a cost advantage or MS for that matter. They are accesible theoretically but I doubt its a very efficent and cost effective solution atm.  And I dont see a Slim coming before the 20nm node produced some high end gpus atleast.