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October 2014 NPD Thread!

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Conegamer said:

Before the numbers were either leaked with a range, or given to us straight from NPD. The graph literally said "DO NOT SHARE THIS" or something on the top which is close enough for me.

Anyway, yeah because of the events in this thread it's pretty much a certainty that we won't be getting NPD leaks from now on. You can agree or disagree with what we said, fine, but at the end of the day it was merely to try and keep these threads going. As it stands it seems like that won't be possible.


Do you really think NPD, Sony, MS or Ninty care about the numbers getting leaked a week after all the media outlets have moved on. GAF and VGchartz have a late little party for them and that's it. It's not mass humilaiation for MS like it woul;d have been if they were leaked day 1. 

In future aqua should wait at least 4 days to release the numbers. But I feel he craves the attention to much and won't be able to resist. 

Intrinsic said:
All this leaking crap is just BS. Do people here think that anyone giving out these leaks doesn't somehow like the attention they get? Especially with how NeoGaf is structured. There are way easier dram free ways to make thee leaks without all the James Bond shit. The leakers as far as I am concerned are just attention seeking whores. They can keep their bloody numbers lol.

Case in point; All a leaker has to do is verify their info with the Mods on Gaf, then give the numbers to the mod in a PM and instruct said PM to release publish it in the thread after like 4 or 5 hours. And thats it. No one will ever know who the leaker is. Everyone will be happy. Problem solved. And this way the leakers could even give way more information than they do.

That is what a leaker would do if they were really doing this cause they wanted to help give some transparency to the gaming industry. But this nonsense of giving off the numbers directly and all cryptic and shit is just an attention seeking ploy. There are waaaay easier, hassle free and comprehensive ways of accomplishing the same thing.

You have to understand that Aqua wants to make a name for himself and he loves the attention. He would never let the numbers get leaked without his name being all over them. He leaves in his own little bubble over there on GAF. 



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Conegamer said:
DonFerrari said:

And since when NPD numbers are copyrighted material? It is quite reaching to mod based on that. And if it was really moddable then these threads should have been banned from the beggining.

Before the numbers were either leaked with a range, or given to us straight from NPD. The graph literally said "DO NOT SHARE THIS" or something on the top which is close enough for me.

Anyway, yeah because of the events in this thread it's pretty much a certainty that we won't be getting NPD leaks from now on. You can agree or disagree with what we said, fine, but at the end of the day it was merely to try and keep these threads going. As it stands it seems like that won't be possible.

Dude! A leaker cannot claim copyright on material they are leaking hence any request to NOT SHARE has no weight under the vgc copyright rule. If the leaker themselves is breaking copyright and acknowledges this and states that anyone who redistributes the content is also breaking copyright then sure that could break the vgc copyright rule. But without a direct assertion of the rights of the actual rights holder then there is no clear copyright matter to be moderated.



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binary solo said:
Conegamer said:
DonFerrari said:

And since when NPD numbers are copyrighted material? It is quite reaching to mod based on that. And if it was really moddable then these threads should have been banned from the beggining.

Before the numbers were either leaked with a range, or given to us straight from NPD. The graph literally said "DO NOT SHARE THIS" or something on the top which is close enough for me.

Anyway, yeah because of the events in this thread it's pretty much a certainty that we won't be getting NPD leaks from now on. You can agree or disagree with what we said, fine, but at the end of the day it was merely to try and keep these threads going. As it stands it seems like that won't be possible.

Dude! A leaker cannot claim copyright on material they are leaking hence any request to NOT SHARE has no weight under the vgc copyright rule. If the leaker themselves is breaking copyright and acknowledges this and states that anyone who redistributes the content is also breaking copyright then sure that could break the vgc copyright rule. But without a direct assertion of the rights of the actual rights holder then there is no clear copyright matter to be moderated.


It is like people who scanlate or fansub an amanga/anime and ask others to respect their work and not distribute outside... While they aren't the copyright holder nor respected the holder's right.



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So vgc overtracking X1 as expected, same for novembre i guess



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Aerys said:
So vgc overtracking X1 as expected, same for novembre i guess


In the US yes, but seems like it's been undertracking it by quite a lot in UK.



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The funny thing about all this is before aquamarine started this secretly trying to hide the data, no one was really talking about him or her on here. Now people are actually talking about the individual leakers here because he strangely thought there are not tons of vgc members also on GAF.



Facts aren't copyrightable. Only novel presentation or arrangement of facts are.

So no, you can't claim copyright on compiled statistics such as sales data.



jlmurph2 said:
Lol the irony of a leaker wanting to keep their leaks private.


LOL. Never thought of that. That is very ironic.



chocoloco said:
The funny thing about all this is before aquamarine started this secretly trying to hide the data, no one was really talking about him or her on here. Now people are actually talking about the individual leakers here because he strangely thought there are not tons of vgc members also on GAF.


It's the opposite actually,He/She always knew that there was a lot of vgcharts members on GAF.

 

He/She Actually said that sometimes(i remember her/him asking for people to give him/her credits here for the numbers)

 

The true is,he/she was trying to cockblock us cause they think neogaf is a secret "fight club".



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