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mochachino on 08 November 2014

All I know is that the country is in a much better position than when Bush was running things.



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thranx on 08 November 2014
Mr Khan said:

C'mon, Republicans got 3/5ths of the white vote, more if you look further up the age brackets, and the three drums that they really focused on where about scary foreigners and immigrants. Poorer whites, who would have economic reason to vote democrat, tend even further towards Republicans.

So much of the Republican party's strength these days is race-based, just that no-one (even most of the folks voting with such motivations) wants to admit it because no one likes to think they're racist, for the most part.

 

“Well, let’s just ask ourselves if we look back over history when the Congress was controlled by the Democrats for 40 consecutive years. If we look at the result of that control what has happened in black America?

We saw greater poverty. If we take the statistics from 1970s to the 21st century, what we see very clearly is that poverty’s gone from 11 percent to 15 percent. These are classic examples that the policies of the left have not worked.

“I will tell you that if I have an F on the NAACP’s scorecard, it’s because I believe that progress has to be made, and the government is not the answer for progress.”



Mr Khan on 08 November 2014
thranx said:
Mr Khan said:

C'mon, Republicans got 3/5ths of the white vote, more if you look further up the age brackets, and the three drums that they really focused on where about scary foreigners and immigrants. Poorer whites, who would have economic reason to vote democrat, tend even further towards Republicans.

So much of the Republican party's strength these days is race-based, just that no-one (even most of the folks voting with such motivations) wants to admit it because no one likes to think they're racist, for the most part.

 

“Well, let’s just ask ourselves if we look back over history when the Congress was controlled by the Democrats for 40 consecutive years. If we look at the result of that control what has happened in black America?

We saw greater poverty. If we take the statistics from 1970s to the 21st century, what we see very clearly is that poverty’s gone from 11 percent to 15 percent. These are classic examples that the policies of the left have not worked.

“I will tell you that if I have an F on the NAACP’s scorecard, it’s because I believe that progress has to be made, and the government is not the answer for progress.”

And yet Republicans are trying to make it even worse for black folks: those welfare programs have a positive impact on lifting people out of poverty. The rate would be much higher still if Republicans had their way. They're also targeting them disproportionately with pointless voter-ID laws, with privatized prison systems, and with anti-drug laws.

Blessedly few enough black people are stupid enough to believe that just because the Democrats haven't had the best track record, that that means the Republicans wouldn't be far worse.



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thranx on 08 November 2014
Mr Khan said:
thranx said:
Mr Khan said:

C'mon, Republicans got 3/5ths of the white vote, more if you look further up the age brackets, and the three drums that they really focused on where about scary foreigners and immigrants. Poorer whites, who would have economic reason to vote democrat, tend even further towards Republicans.

So much of the Republican party's strength these days is race-based, just that no-one (even most of the folks voting with such motivations) wants to admit it because no one likes to think they're racist, for the most part.

 

“Well, let’s just ask ourselves if we look back over history when the Congress was controlled by the Democrats for 40 consecutive years. If we look at the result of that control what has happened in black America?

We saw greater poverty. If we take the statistics from 1970s to the 21st century, what we see very clearly is that poverty’s gone from 11 percent to 15 percent. These are classic examples that the policies of the left have not worked.

“I will tell you that if I have an F on the NAACP’s scorecard, it’s because I believe that progress has to be made, and the government is not the answer for progress.”

And yet Republicans are trying to make it even worse for black folks: those welfare programs have a positive impact on lifting people out of poverty. The rate would be much higher still if Republicans had their way. They're also targeting them disproportionately with pointless voter-ID laws, with privatized prison systems, and with anti-drug laws.

Blessedly few enough black people are stupid enough to believe that just because the Democrats haven't had the best track record, that that means the Republicans wouldn't be far worse.

If we have enacted these policies, and the rate has gone up wouldn't you say the policies made it worse? The republicans had their way first, than the dems changed things, and it got worse.



Immersiveunreality on 08 November 2014

Its weird that so much americans are against healthcare as its really a great system that makes sure everyone can afford high medical costs.You pay for others but that shouldnt be such a big deal cause you are securing yourself and your children for the future.



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Teeqoz on 08 November 2014
SlayerRondo said:

At least you have different political parties in America.

In Australia and the UK, it's basically the social democrats or the social democrats and if they don't take your fancy you can vote for the other social democrats.


This has to be one of the worst ideas ever. This would basically turn USA into Russia V 2.0 The rich ones would gain even more power than what they already have, while the poor ones will lose pretty much all the power they've got.



thranx on 08 November 2014
Immersiveunreality said:
Its weird that so much americans are against healthcare as its really a great system that makes sure everyone can afford high medical costs.You pay for others but that shouldnt be such a big deal cause you are securing yourself and your children for the future.


Our government is too big and there are too many peopl for such  a centralized and easily government abused system. if i can't trust the government not to single me out because of my views with extra scrutiny from the IRS how can i trust it with my health? Again i think people forget that there are over 300 million people in the US. These programs should be on a city, county, or state level. Don't confuse american dislike of the federal government with its dislike of all of these programs. There are rampant problems with massive beauracry because of so much intervention at the federal level. States need to take these rights back.



Chris Hu on 08 November 2014
thranx said:
Mr Khan said:

C'mon, Republicans got 3/5ths of the white vote, more if you look further up the age brackets, and the three drums that they really focused on where about scary foreigners and immigrants. Poorer whites, who would have economic reason to vote democrat, tend even further towards Republicans.

So much of the Republican party's strength these days is race-based, just that no-one (even most of the folks voting with such motivations) wants to admit it because no one likes to think they're racist, for the most part.

 

“Well, let’s just ask ourselves if we look back over history when the Congress was controlled by the Democrats for 40 consecutive years. If we look at the result of that control what has happened in black America?

We saw greater poverty. If we take the statistics from 1970s to the 21st century, what we see very clearly is that poverty’s gone from 11 percent to 15 percent. These are classic examples that the policies of the left have not worked.

“I will tell you that if I have an F on the NAACP’s scorecard, it’s because I believe that progress has to be made, and the government is not the answer for progress.”

Well poverty rates have been going up regardless of race over the past 40 years.  The last president that actually cared about the poor was LBJ and he left office on January 20, 1969 and he was a democrat.  To find the last republican president that cared about the poor we have to go back even further because that would be Teddy Rosevelt and he left office on March the 4th 1909.



thranx on 08 November 2014
Chris Hu said:

Well poverty rates have been going up regardless of race over the past 40 years.  The last president that actually cared about the poor was LBJ and he left office on January 20, 1969 and he was a democrat.  To find the last republican president that cared about the poor we have to go back even further because that would be Teddy Rosevelt and he left office on March the 4th 1909.


Presidents dont make laws or budgets congress does. The dems have controlled congress for most of the last 40-60 years



Mr Khan on 08 November 2014

Chris Hu's response meets my own. Stagnating wages are the issue, and that's due to neo-liberal policies.

Blacks, being the poorest segment, have been hardest hit by it, It's like those idiots who object to seatbelt laws and point out the number of seatbelt-related injuries in crashes, when god knows what the NON-seatbelt related injuries would have looked like otherwise. Welfare is the seatbelt.



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