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Psychotic said:

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Yes, Diablo II autosaves every two minutes and the only way to quit the game is a "Save and Exit Game" option. It's a PC game, so there are always workarounds, of course. I would know, Diablo II was the game that made me switch from consoles to PC gaming in 2001... only to switch back to consoles when 7th gen came out.

I wasn't arguing for perma-death, though. Both games have their systems made so that can never get stuck anywhere - The Souls series has items that send you back to to town from anywhere and in Diablo 2 you always spawn in town when you load a save - even if you have the optional perma-death on, you can just pause the game, quit it and reaload it to save yourself from certain death.

The first thing anyone says is "If you don't want to be able to save every few seconds, then just don't", but the game has to be designed for that if it's to be engaging... when I can save but just don't and then die and have to backtrack, it's frustrating instead of encouraging.

Heh, it looks to me that you want all the advantages of all the different systems.    Anyhow, about frustration: the game I like, with the save system I like, are more frustrating at the beginning, when you're weak and poorly armed, you die quickly and often and even having to replay a small part is still a significant part of the progress already made, but later, being able to not lose all the progress already made makes not frustrating to me having to reload  a previous savegame and replay a part. This also strongly depends on personal tastes, I prefer to replay some very tricky parts more times in different ways rather than having to replay the whole game if I really don't like a path I took with some wrong choices and without any way to undo them or change their outcome, but it's not just tastes, it's also because even choosing a few games a year, my backlog is already too large for the time I have to play.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:

Heh, it looks to me that you want all the advantages of all the different systems. 

Of course I do

Alby_da_Wolf said:

Anyhow, about frustration: the game I like, with the save system I like, are more frustrating at the beginning, when you're weak and poorly armed, you die quickly and often and even having to replay a small part is still a significant part of the progress already made, but later, being able to not lose all the progress already made makes not frustrating to me having to reload  a previous savegame and replay a part.

And yet again we are complete opposites I don't mind dying in the beginning because I'm still learing and what doesn't kill you makes... actually what DOES kill you makes you stronger Later in the game when I really want to know what happens next in the story or reach that *level up* quickly, dying is way more frustrating for me. 

Alby_da_Wolf said:

This also strongly depends on personal tastes, I prefer to replay some very tricky parts more times in different ways rather than having to replay the whole game if I really don't like a path I took with some wrong choices and without any way to undo them or change their outcome...

If you have nothing to screw up, there's no suspense But yeah, it is just a personal thing. If it wasn't, developers would do it more.

Alby_da_Wolf said:

...my backlog is already too large for the time I have to play.

Tell me about it



Jon-Erich said:
hadlee73 said:
Last I looked Rich didn't even have 300,000 subscribers, so I doubt his rant and a bunch of comments on one of his videos represents the older generation of gamers.

The fact that you can even say "Rich didn't even have 300,000 subscribers" says something. He definitely has an audience. Also keep in mind that you don't have to be a subscriber to watch the videos. The reality is nobody on Youtube has that much representation. You have these so-called Youtube celebrities who have millions of subscribers, but most of the general public has no idea who these people are. Even somebody like PewDiePie doesn't have very much recognition outside on Youtube and the internet. 

To say that Rich isn't successful to some degree would be ludicris. He makes money doing what he does. He makes enough money to the point where he can do what he does fulltime without having to have a regualr job like most of us. Shit, I would love to take the 40 hours a week I spend regualrly at my job and follow my passion. And again, when you actually have to say he doesn't even have 300,000 subscribers, that's implying he's very much capable of having at least half of that amount. Most of us could never be criticised in such a way.

As for the whole older generation argument, I can personally say most gamers my age that I've met have the same general complaints about a lot of newer games. I know people who abandoned console games almost entirely for experiences like World of Warcraft only to complain when Blizzard made Warcraft too easy. The only people from the older generations who I never hear any complaints from are people who outright stopped playing videogames years ago. They don't play games anymore so there's nothing to bitch about.


Cool story. Most of it had nothing to do with what I said though :P



NES days were brutal,absolutely brutal... the check point/save systems were not your best friends..a decent chunk of those games meant losing your last life really meant game-over,get your ass all the way back to level 1 and start from the beginning. hair pulling,handle throwing rage stuff. good times



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oldschoolfool said:
I am superior fool!!!!!

Your post is either missing a comma or the indefinite article "a"..



                
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