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Mr Khan said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
It's not because of religion in my opinion, but because lots of gay people try to try to turn straight people gay. Many politicians are jerks anyway.

You know there's nothing backing this statement at all, right?


As I and others have said, it 's like that in the Philippines.



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Who cares what religious institutions think? Might as well ask why that Dungeons and Dragons group over there don't welcome girls. It's the SAME thing! 



arcane_chaos said:

I always avoid thread like these but once in awhile there's a golden post like this!

do not know if you practice any religious faith or not but this is what I soley believe when it comes to homosexuality, and wish more people of my faith would also believe.

and yes I'm a Christian


Thank you.

I'm a Christian as well, and it's a shame it's not what many Christians believe, as it's very clearly in the Bible.



QuintonMcLeod said:

I whole-heartedly agree with this.

I was actually going to reply with something similar to this, but someone beat me to it.

I've noticed a lot of atheists tend to base reglion from the people who follow it instead of what the religion actually promotes. From there, they formulate their own conclusions, and this is very sad. We're living in a world where ignorance is encouraged.

Mmmhmmm this is absolutely true. Jesus teaches loving your enemy, and PEOPLE preach hate, and others blame 'religion'. That's like blaming "science" for so much death because it has been used to make weapons, ignoring the fact that most scientists are working to better the world. 



Blouge said:

"Do you understand its context and principle for its time?"

Nope. I see the bible and what it says. Is there some other text I'm missing?
E.g., one that elucidates which parts to believe in and which not to?

Actually, there's a great deal you're missing, as it's not about what we shouldn't 'believe', but rather what we are not required to practice. 

Must like a repealed law would no longer be in effect, the Mosaic law (contained in the old testament) was specifically for the nation of Israel, and Jesus removed it from needing to be followed by Christians. While it has many beneficial principles for us today, Christians aren't bound by it.

Bear in mind, the Mosiac law was FULL of rules that benefitted people of the day, even if they didn't know how. For instance, they were forbidden to eat animals (i.e. pigs) that modern science shows have a tendancy to have more dangerous parasites if not properly cooked. (i.e. even nowadays, you don't eat pork rare. It's always well cooked, because it's not as safe as beef, otherwise) They had strict hygiene standards regarding how to deal with waste and dead bodies. People of the time didn't know about germs, but the standards they were given protected them from these things they were unaware of.



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FentonCrackshell said:
When the Mormon Church began it stated that God said blacks are inhuman and therefore not welcomed into their congregation. In the 1960s when the church realized most of the country was coming around due to the civil rights movement, the church decided that blacks are OK. Knowing that, I can't understand why no one sees the notion that god created religion as a complete and utter farce.

Do you believe that science is evil because in Nazi Germany, they did cruel and inhumane experiments on people? I'm guessing not, because it would be ridiculous to judge such a broad spectrum of people, information, accomplishments, etc, on it's worst adherents. 

To judge all religion as a farce because of racist teachings of an individual church is illogical. Much like the fact that 'science' can't all be clumped under a single heading with a "true" or "false" label, religions need to be judged on their own merits. In every scientific field in history, there have been hundreds of guess/theories which were proven false before correct answers were found. It doesn't invalidate science, it rather shows the importance of finding what's right, not looking at the first answer and then discarding an entire line of thought.

It's kind of funny how people view science as the antithesis of religion, but fail to use the scientific method to actually determine the validity of religions... They are then somehow still being confident in their decision, even though it was made in a way that wouldn't fly, elsewhere.



Religious texts are pay no mind to what exists in nature. Religion was created upon presuming what we do not know and holding up male dominated themes of the day to explain nature, existence of blostering the ego of mankind. Slavery, bigory, Polygamy, public executions,  homophobia all existed in those times in Asia (not always europe). Remember, the texts most of the religious for mass religions came from Asia. A lot of that stuff is still going on right now in Asia.



BMaker11 said:

I will not. Because those writings are supposed to be the word of God, objective, and timeless.

"Man's law will change. God's law is always the same"

Meaning the "context of the times" is irrelevant, since scriptures, being "holy", "transcend time" and are "always right".

I hate that "context of the times" is used to justify that the Bible condoning things like slavery, because "it was a different time and doesn't apply to today's world" but then flip the script and use the Bible to enforce anti-homosexual sentiments because "This is God's word". Either it's right about everything, being the divine word of the creator, or people are just picking and choosing what to believe and adhere to. But if you're picking and choosing, that means you have a moral compass independent of the Bible that tells you that invading a country, killing all the men and children, livestock, agriculture....but keeping the virgin women "alive for yourselves" (I'm not making this up, either)...is wrong.

But then, don't use that same compass to say homosexuality is wrong "because the Bible says so".

Context is everything! Many of the laws were given for a very specific period of time. (i.e. hygiene laws that were in effect during time periods when there was no knowledge of germs, quarantine laws when there was no knowledge of how diseases spread) 

Now for something like slavery, you need to realize that slavery in ancient Israel was NOT the same as slavery today. It's basically a different definition. Slavery, as it was practiced in US history, for instance, would never have flown in Bible times. The fact that we choose to use the same word to describe a different scenario is on us. 

First of all slavery in ancient Israel was something you sold yourself in to, to pay debts, and was essentially a long term work contract. You would not be kidnapped and forced to work.

Second, in ancient Israel, there was a periodic "Jubilee year" in which all slaves were freed and land reverted back to its original families. This meant that noone was born into slavery, and noone had to die in slavery. Slavery back then was essentially the situation people in heavy debt find themselves in today: they have to work to pay their debts, not able to accumulate anything. The difference being that within their lifetime, they would be freed and have land once again, guaranteed. 

If someone beat their slave to death, they'd be put to death too, because slaves were people, not property, and it would be murder.

Likewise, when it talked about the nation of Israel's wars, and sometimes they would be commanded to purge almost everyone. Sounds pretty heartless, right? But how are you judging this?

Look for a moment, at the Middle East, some individuals have been fighting, and full of hatred for generations and generations. Millions have died. Countless people grow up hating those in the next country, and conflicts with no end in sight continue. Boys see their fathers die, grow up angry, and when they are old enough, have more children who they will teach to hate. Is this somehow better than killing a few thousand people? Objectively, it's so, so much worse. But we don't have the benefit of being about to see the horrible effects of a war ripple through time. God does. Did the Israelites purge every nation in the land of Canaan? No. Were they always ordered to kill everyone? No. We see a story that looks bad on the surface, not considering the endless generations of conflict that could have been the result under different circumstances. But there's more to the story: When we have no faith, death is the ultimate 'bad outcome', and this story is merely a tale of bloodshed. In the context of a loving creator giving these orders, however, we know that 1) the commands were given for the best outcome in the long run 2) In the prophecied ressurection, the creator has the ability to bring back anyone killed in these purges that didn't deserve it. 



The_Sony_Girl1 said:
Mr Khan said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
It's not because of religion in my opinion, but because lots of gay people try to try to turn straight people gay. Many politicians are jerks anyway.

You know there's nothing backing this statement at all, right?


As I and others have said, it 's like that in the Philippines.

Forgive me if i ask for a citation rather than take your word for it.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Your race is part of you, sacred and shouldn't be violated by anyone. It is a reflection of how God created you. 

 

Your sexuality is also sacred. It is an expression of your love to your husband/wife, where children come forth and a place where the basic foundations of society are laid. God designed sexuality to be an expression of a male to a female and vice versa.

 

From the christian standpoint, homosexuality is an aberration of sexuality. God clearly states that it is not the way he intends it to be. I understand that many people are very sensitive about this issue, but unfortunately we live in a society that promotes lies to the people who need the truth.

 

We have been led to believe hat homosexual relations are equal and as natural as heterosexual relationships despite the HUGE mountain of evidence to the contrary.

 

Why do you have a sex drive?

 

Is the purpose not to draw you to the opposite sex?

 

Isn't the natural result of our sex drive (if everything is allowed to be happen as it should) a pregnant woman?

 

What is surprising is that we struggle to understand and accept the three simple sentences that I wrote above...and that is sad. 

 

The fact that we struggle to understand the truth, is because we have believed a lie. Take your time, don't get mad at me. See if what I'm saying makes sense before you react. Ask yourself: "Is homosexuality the way it should be?" and honestly answer that question. After you do, you will understand why christians are against it.

 

Of course this issue is too deep for a simple post to cover, but I can only hope that I have brought the voice of reason to this forum.