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ps4tw said:

It seems that in the few months I haven't been here IQ's have sharply dropped. 

Once again you somehow have made a leap of logic from a statement I made about the market to my personal taste. Why did you do that?

If the Wii U is a must have, er, why the hell are the sales so low??

The issue with Nintendo games is....Nintendo. If you want a mature, engaing game, they will not offer it. If you want quick arcade fun or a quirky adventure, then they will provide that. Thing is, the amout of gamers wanting the latter is decreasing and already a small market. 

Okay where the hell do I start...Neogaf being filled with Nintendo fans means absolutely nothing. All it means is Nintendo fans use Neogaf. There is literally nothing of use to be intrepreted by your observation. Basic logical thinking this. You can keep saying they make good games, but if I enjoy FPS' Im shit out of luck with them. Same if I like mature games like GTA. Actually the GC proves there were 20 million people over a decade ago willing to pay for the experience offered by Nintendo, and that was a very different situation as the N64 had provided FPS' (Perfect Dark, Quake, Golden Eye etc) and mature games (Conkers Bad Fur Day). We are looking now at a Nintendo system devoid of Rare and most 3rd party support. 

Keep ranting, but your argument really is nothing more than an emotional outburst rather than something which has had any thought put into it. 

You keep talking about "mature" games like there is something magical about blood, language, etc. Hey man, I own a PS4, I love playing all sorts of games, but your definition of "mature" is something that the 12 year old who's dad is letting him play Halo throws around. 

I feel like you've never played a Nintendo game. Games are supposed to be fun. Nintendo makes really fun games. There are games on other consoles that cannot  be found on Nintendo platforms, but on the flipside, I can't find anything like Nintendo's games on PS4 or Xbone. 

Onto the rest of your argument. You say that your not going to find FPS or "mature" (you keep using that word, I do not think you know what it means) games on Nintendo platforms. That's totally true, FPS is a big hole in Nintendo's library. On the flip side, I'm not going to find a good Kart Racer on a Sony platform, or Smash type game on an Microsoft platform, or really any platformer as good as 3D World or Tropical Freeze on any platform. So in the end, it comes down to personal taste.

Really, you seem kind of angry about something, so you come into this thread and make a lot of noise. Nintendo has a lot of fans, a lot of gamers like Nintendo. The 3DS continues to sell well, and the Wii U is picking up. You yourself don't like Nintendo games, big deal, no one really cares, you can stop your tantrum. 

Also, I've seen you making a lot of noise about graphics in this thread. Just want to point out that Nintendo makes some truly pretty games. 




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Mensrea said:

 

ps4tw said:

It seems that in the few months I haven't been here IQ's have sharply dropped. 

Once again you somehow have made a leap of logic from a statement I made about the market to my personal taste. Why did you do that?

If the Wii U is a must have, er, why the hell are the sales so low??

The issue with Nintendo games is....Nintendo. If you want a mature, engaing game, they will not offer it. If you want quick arcade fun or a quirky adventure, then they will provide that. Thing is, the amout of gamers wanting the latter is decreasing and already a small market. 

Okay where the hell do I start...Neogaf being filled with Nintendo fans means absolutely nothing. All it means is Nintendo fans use Neogaf. There is literally nothing of use to be intrepreted by your observation. Basic logical thinking this. You can keep saying they make good games, but if I enjoy FPS' Im shit out of luck with them. Same if I like mature games like GTA. Actually the GC proves there were 20 million people over a decade ago willing to pay for the experience offered by Nintendo, and that was a very different situation as the N64 had provided FPS' (Perfect Dark, Quake, Golden Eye etc) and mature games (Conkers Bad Fur Day). We are looking now at a Nintendo system devoid of Rare and most 3rd party support. 

Keep ranting, but your argument really is nothing more than an emotional outburst rather than something which has had any thought put into it. 

You keep talking about "mature" games like there is something magical about blood, language, etc. Hey man, I own a PS4, I love playing all sorts of games, but your definition of "mature" is something that the 12 year old who's dad is letting him play Halo throws around. 

I feel like you've never played a Nintendo game. Games are supposed to be fun. Nintendo makes really fun games. There are games on other consoles that cannot  be found on Nintendo platforms, but on the flipside, I can't find anything like Nintendo's games on PS4 or Xbone. 

Onto the rest of your argument. You say that your not going to find FPS or "mature" (you keep using that word, I do not think you know what it means) games on Nintendo platforms. That's totally true, FPS is a big hole in Nintendo's library. On the flip side, I'm not going to find a good Kart Racer on a Sony platform, or Smash type game on an Microsoft platform, or really any platformer as good as 3D World or Tropical Freeze on any platform. So in the end, it comes down to personal taste.

Really, you seem kind of angry about something, so you come into this thread and make a lot of noise. Nintendo has a lot of fans, a lot of gamers like Nintendo, the 3DS continues to sell well, the Wii U is picking up. You yourself don't like Nintendo games, big deal, no one really cares, you can stop your tantrum. 

Also, I've seen you making a lot of noise about graphics in this thread. Just want to point out that Nintendo makes some truly pretty games. 

don't start this man, it's not worth it. He doesn't understand.



ninjaman003 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
ninjaman003 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:


I have not played seriously on a Nintendo platform since the N64 and I don't miss Nintendo nor am I interested in going back. My tastes have changed massively over the years, yet Nintendo have done very little to their platform lineup which is very stylised towards one, small audience. Every other platform has a wide range of games and styles to choose from - serious rpgs (mass effect, dragon age, dark souls), mmos (WoW, EvE a bagillion free ones), relaxed games, horror, fps, indie etc. Nintendo only has Nintendo styled (eg more cartoonish and less serious) games. 

I'll put it to you another way; if I want to play a mature and indepth game, what would Nintendo offer me? How about a racing sim? RTS? Innovative indie platformer?

It's litterally impossible for nintendo to make an indie game. pikmin is an RTS. racing sims just aren't there style. 

I understand that your tastes have changed, but once you grow up and realize mature games don't make you more mature, Nintendo really has a wide range of offerings as far as genres go.


*facepalm*

One rts which is very limited compared to SC2 or SupCom etc. Racing sims are a huge market - not their style = millions of lost sales/customers.

And what the hell are you on about "make you more mature"? Has it ever occured to you that people do actually mature and prefer mature storylines. Just look at the success of Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad - people like mature content. You can stick with your games, but I want games made for adults eg. solid scripts, indepth storylines etc...and clealry more people want that then Mario.

All I'm saying is that a mature story just means more violence and sex. If you want porn in your game, fine by me, but I would hardly call it a requirement. If you look at movies, the most popular are not packed the blood and gore, and ratings generally agree. I just don't see how gore and sex would make it more appealling if you weren't trying to compensate for something.

Erm, how old are you? I'm guessing quite young as you have failed to grasp what a mature story is. Have you ever actually seen anything for adults like Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad? I'm guessing not as you spewed out that nonsense. You ignore complexity of the story, character development and the depth of the characters. How quickly could you sum up any Nintendo character compared to Walter White or Tony Stark? The storyine of any major hit TV show in the last few years compared to a Nintnedo story?

The issue is Nintendo offers very basic games and not many people want that.



TheJimbo1234 said:

Erm, how old are you? I'm guessing quite young as you have failed to grasp what a mature story is. Have you ever actually seen anything for adults like Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad? I'm guessing not as you spewed out that nonsense. You ignore complexity of the story, character development and the depth of the characters. How quickly could you sum up any Nintendo character compared to Walter White or Tony Stark? The storyine of any major hit TV show in the last few years compared to a Nintnedo story?

The issue is Nintendo offers very basic games and not many people want that.

Are you saying the story arc for the Links in The Legend Of Zelda or Samus in the Metroid series is "basic"? Do you think they're more "basic" than Master Chief or Nathan Drake? Lol.



TheJimbo1234 said:
ninjaman003 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
ninjaman003 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:


I have not played seriously on a Nintendo platform since the N64 and I don't miss Nintendo nor am I interested in going back. My tastes have changed massively over the years, yet Nintendo have done very little to their platform lineup which is very stylised towards one, small audience. Every other platform has a wide range of games and styles to choose from - serious rpgs (mass effect, dragon age, dark souls), mmos (WoW, EvE a bagillion free ones), relaxed games, horror, fps, indie etc. Nintendo only has Nintendo styled (eg more cartoonish and less serious) games. 

I'll put it to you another way; if I want to play a mature and indepth game, what would Nintendo offer me? How about a racing sim? RTS? Innovative indie platformer?

It's litterally impossible for nintendo to make an indie game. pikmin is an RTS. racing sims just aren't there style. 

I understand that your tastes have changed, but once you grow up and realize mature games don't make you more mature, Nintendo really has a wide range of offerings as far as genres go.


*facepalm*

One rts which is very limited compared to SC2 or SupCom etc. Racing sims are a huge market - not their style = millions of lost sales/customers.

And what the hell are you on about "make you more mature"? Has it ever occured to you that people do actually mature and prefer mature storylines. Just look at the success of Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad - people like mature content. You can stick with your games, but I want games made for adults eg. solid scripts, indepth storylines etc...and clealry more people want that then Mario.

All I'm saying is that a mature story just means more violence and sex. If you want porn in your game, fine by me, but I would hardly call it a requirement. If you look at movies, the most popular are not packed the blood and gore, and ratings generally agree. I just don't see how gore and sex would make it more appealling if you weren't trying to compensate for something.

Erm, how old are you? I'm guessing quite young as you have failed to grasp what a mature story is. Have you ever actually seen anything for adults like Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad? I'm guessing not as you spewed out that nonsense. You ignore complexity of the story, character development and the depth of the characters. How quickly could you sum up any Nintendo character compared to Walter White or Tony Stark? The storyine of any major hit TV show in the last few years compared to a Nintnedo story?

The issue is Nintendo offers very basic games and not many people want that.

That's not how I define mature, but I agree with you. Almost all Nintendo games have little to no story. Most mature games have a better story and indepth character development. I don't think that means that all indepth stories are "mature". If that's what you call it, I guess that's fine, but people will misunderstand you. And yes it's completely my age, that's why I don't understand what anything means when you use the word mature.



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KylieDog said:
Grew out of most of them, the others have dropped in quality or failed to keep up with modern standards.

Metroid is the only series Nintendo have I still want to play.


I think a better phrase is "my interests changed", growing out of it suggests that it's not enjoyable to anyone but children which is far from the truth/just a stereotype about Nintendo games (not saying Nintendo games are super mature and not cartoony but yeah)

Quality is just a matter of disagreeing haha, I think Nintendo games have in many ways gotten better because of better technology and game standards over the years. And a lot of the standards of other companies in the gaming industry are, in my opinion, crap standards that involve paying way too much for games (the whole deal about taking content OUT of games to make it DLC, etc.), riddling them with unnecessary things, making games way too generic or rushing them and sacrificing quality, etc., so I guess I just can't understand how those standards are appealing to some people, but if they are, then oh well.

 

EDIT: About the "mature" discussion

 

I think different people look for different things in games

 

Personally I see these "mature" stories but most of them aren't even that good. And just because a game is rated M doesn't mean it has a mature or great story. Call of Duty: Ghosts had a terrible story, Titanfall doesn't even really have a story, Dark Souls is just a game of overcomplicated lore, etc., I still enjoyed the latter two (and for what it's worth, beat Ghosts) but I don't even see anything on the story level of those shows you mentioned (GoT, BB), most games are rushed and big companies are under the impression that people aren't interested in good stories, they're under the impression that games have to be visually-pleasing FPS or open-world action games or something to sell (which is why we get so many FPS and such on these consoles), so I don't really expect great stories except from a few games (mostly RPGs/JRPGs who have story as a driving force, and even RPG stories have degraded in the past several years).

 

I think games should be played for good gameplay first, and everything else after. That's because games are the only thing that can offer good gameplay; movies, books, etc. can offer good visuals, good stories, etc. but not good gameplay.

That being said if people get some sort of satisfaction out of something just being mature, that's on them, I just feel like that's kind of silly. That would be me like me loving Nintendo games just because they're Nintendo games. I should like them because they're good games (and NOT all Nintendo games are good, no game company is perfect).

 

Anyway, a game is ultimately a combination of lots of factors but I find the most enjoyable experiences are the ones that go back to the root of gaming, before everything was stupidly complicated and things were just plain old fun. I agree that some Nintendo games could benefit from more story, and that's probably better suited to either new IPs or IPs like The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, etc., but at the same time I feel like a gamer who plays games for being good games should be able to enjoy Nintendo's games even if they don't have mature themes in them, because they've got plenty of other things going for them. *shrug*



bigtakilla said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
 

Erm, how old are you? I'm guessing quite young as you have failed to grasp what a mature story is. Have you ever actually seen anything for adults like Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad? I'm guessing not as you spewed out that nonsense. You ignore complexity of the story, character development and the depth of the characters. How quickly could you sum up any Nintendo character compared to Walter White or Tony Stark? The storyine of any major hit TV show in the last few years compared to a Nintnedo story?

The issue is Nintendo offers very basic games and not many people want that.

Are you saying the story arc for the Links in The Legend Of Zelda or Samus in the Metroid series is "basic"? Do you think they're more "basic" than Master Chief or Nathan Drake? Lol.

Did I say Halo was more indepth? *rollseyes*  Now compare Link to Dragon Age or Beyond Two Souls. This is my point - on the other consoles I have choice. With Nintendo, you don't.



TheJimbo1234 said:
bigtakilla said:

Are you saying the story arc for the Links in The Legend Of Zelda or Samus in the Metroid series is "basic"? Do you think they're more "basic" than Master Chief or Nathan Drake? Lol.

Did I say Halo was more indepth? *rollseyes*  Now compare Link to Dragon Age or Beyond Two Souls. This is my point - on the other consoles I have choice. With Nintendo, you don't.

In no way am I saying it's enough, but Fire Emblem has good stories and character development.



TheJimbo1234 said:
bigtakilla said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
 

Erm, how old are you? I'm guessing quite young as you have failed to grasp what a mature story is. Have you ever actually seen anything for adults like Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad? I'm guessing not as you spewed out that nonsense. You ignore complexity of the story, character development and the depth of the characters. How quickly could you sum up any Nintendo character compared to Walter White or Tony Stark? The storyine of any major hit TV show in the last few years compared to a Nintnedo story?

The issue is Nintendo offers very basic games and not many people want that.

Are you saying the story arc for the Links in The Legend Of Zelda or Samus in the Metroid series is "basic"? Do you think they're more "basic" than Master Chief or Nathan Drake? Lol.

Did I say Halo was more indepth? *rollseyes*  Now compare Link to Dragon Age or Beyond Two Souls. This is my point - on the other consoles I have choice. With Nintendo, you don't.

No, but you were talking about appeal of mature games, I was just comparing the staples of all the systems and comparing their stories depth.

Obvoiusly Link and Samus have more character depth than Master Chief and Nathan Drake, therefore I think the title of "very basic" doesn't really apply.

And I won't even get into the depth of Xenoblade.



TheJimbo1234 said:
bigtakilla said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
 

Erm, how old are you? I'm guessing quite young as you have failed to grasp what a mature story is. Have you ever actually seen anything for adults like Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad? I'm guessing not as you spewed out that nonsense. You ignore complexity of the story, character development and the depth of the characters. How quickly could you sum up any Nintendo character compared to Walter White or Tony Stark? The storyine of any major hit TV show in the last few years compared to a Nintnedo story?

The issue is Nintendo offers very basic games and not many people want that.

Are you saying the story arc for the Links in The Legend Of Zelda or Samus in the Metroid series is "basic"? Do you think they're more "basic" than Master Chief or Nathan Drake? Lol.

Did I say Halo was more indepth? *rollseyes*  Now compare Link to Dragon Age or Beyond Two Souls. This is my point - on the other consoles I have choice. With Nintendo, you don't.


choice in what? just asking as I didn't understand you

also

"Most mature games have a better story and indepth character development"

so not true/just a made-up statistic/declaration of sorts

even if it was true story is just one part of games and just as a person might play a game for the story there are people who don't care for that (personally I am glad my platformers don't have story because I enjoy how I can just keep playing the game without constant interruptions)

 

EDIT: on a side note I can agree with the generalization that "Notable games on Nintendo consoles tend to not have as much story or character development as notable games on other consoles"

Donkey Kong, Kirby, and Yoshi games have almost no story, and they're three of Nintendo's biggest franchises. Mario games only have a story in spin-offs like the Paper Mario or Mario & Luigi series (and it's certainly nothing dark on the level of... idk, The Walking Dead or The Last of Us)