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Avro1958 said:

MS is fighting a completley different battle now than what Sony did with the PS4. Sony was arrogant and overpriced there system. Sony did not force a policy on the consumer that would dictate what they would do with there purchases or other restrictive polices. People are pissed and they still are. The MASSIVE loss of marketshare in the US is proof of that. They have to overcome that and the fact that Sony has best versions of multiplats.

The same report from analysts at Merrill Lynch that predicted that the PS3 could be delayed by over six months has also suggested that the components used to build each console could cost Sony over $800.

Sauce: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/news200206ps3800bucks



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colblue88 said:
Vasto said:
Xbox One may not catch PS4 in sales but when I hear people talk about how the system is bad and not worth owning I just shake my head every time. I own both PS4 and Xbox One and I would not trade mine in for anything. Its a great system that gets better each month with real meaningful updates. Cant wait to see whats next!


What ever medication you are on I want some did you really spend all that money on consoles. Think of the PC you could have got for the same money as them madness if you ask me.

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It is but I don't expect it to make a comeback like the PS3.



    

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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Avro1958 said:

MS is fighting a completley different battle now than what Sony did with the PS4. Sony was arrogant and overpriced there system. Sony did not force a policy on the consumer that would dictate what they would do with there purchases or other restrictive polices. People are pissed and they still are. The MASSIVE loss of marketshare in the US is proof of that. They have to overcome that and the fact that Sony has best versions of multiplats.

The same report from analysts at Merrill Lynch that predicted that the PS3 could be delayed by over six months has also suggested that the components used to build each console could cost Sony over $800.

Sauce: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/news200206ps3800bucks


I have no doubt the PS3 was a good value at that price, I did for years I picked up a PS3 about 6 months after release.  Does not change the fact that it was overpriced. They clearly overestimated how much money people would spent on a console and it hurt them early on. 



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ErwinMoC said:


MS is fighting a completley different battle now than what Sony did with the PS4. Sony was arrogant and overpriced there system. Sony did not force a policy on the consumer that would dictate what they would do with there purchases or other restrictive polices. People are pissed and they still are. The MASSIVE loss of marketshare in the US is proof of that. They have to overcome that and the fact that Sony has best versions of multiplats.


Very funny joke.

I think I am missing something.



PS3 global sales as of July 21, 2007: 4.07m
XB1 global sales as of July 19, 2014: 4.96m



I'm so tired of this. This was also said it the wiiU's first year. Just because something isn't doing well its first year, doesn't mean that it will miraculously come back it's second. It happened once. This isn't history repeating itself. Do you know what I would have said about the ps3 in 2006? It's probably going to lose. Things changed, people got interested in it, and it exceeded what most people would have predicted. What is my opinion about the xbox one? There's very little chance of the xbox one winning this gen given how it's doing right now.



Ka-pi96 said:

The comparisons aren’t flattering, but now the Xbox One has shaken off almost everything it was originally pitched as it can find its own path to success.
 

It’s easy to criticise the Xbox One for a pre- and post-launch period that has seen the console change almost entirely from what it set out to be – an all-in-one connected entertainment box – to a more refined and honest video games console.

But the console business comes and goes in cycles. There are always fads and novelties, some of which last a few months (3D) and others years (Wii). But mostly the cycle of new hardware, followed by a barren period of games launches and gradual improvement in quantity and quality – until the new-gen is a solid market and the old-gen recedes – is a reliable constant.

The Xbox One is a console that has stumbled out of the gate and bounced from u-turn to u-turn, while the PS4 has seemingly weathered the launch period much more smoothly. Whether that’s true or just a narrative bounced around the games media echo chamber is debatable, but what is clear is that the roles between Microsoft and Sony have reversed. The Xbox One is following the path the PlayStation 3 took when it was first released. Here’s why:

Both consoles had ridiculously high prices, way above the nearest competitor

The PlayStation 3 came out as two different models, both of which were laughably priced. $499 for a 20GB model and a whopping $599 for the 60GB version. Conversely, the cheapest Xbox 360 sold for $299 and the more expensive $399. Any gamer with a sensible budget can see how to get better value – especially when you consider buying games on top of that.

Last year the Xbox One hit stores in November for $499. My god, Don Mattrick, what were you thinking? Its competitor the PlayStation 4 hit in the same month for $100 dollars less. With barely a handful of exclusives between them, why wouldn’t your choice of new console be the cheaper one? The difference in price prompted a round of high-fives over at Sony.

Only months later both consoles received their first price cut and a hardware revision

Sometimes people will pay a premium for your luxury product, but when the sales drop right out the gate, any pricecut is a public admission of failure from the executives in charge.

Sony’s PlayStation 3 got a $100 price cut 8 months after release although it stubbornly also released a $600 80GB model for added confusion. Microsoft’s version of this walk of shame was teased with an early cut three months after release in the UK, and then a full-on, hands-up-we-fucked-it admission only last month.

Off came $100 and the much-derided Kinect hardware – technology that had originally be central to the console’s marketing as an all-in-one entertainment device.

Both were hampered by execs saying daft things in order to defend their positions

Cutting the price of a product speaks volumes. But why do execs feel the need to dig holes deeper and try and spin it into something it’s not? It’s a massive positive that your console is cheaper, that’s great. But you didn’t do it to give the “fans” “more options”. Honestly, grow some stones.

When Xbox’s Yusuf Mehdi said: “We’re excited today to be able to respond to our fans, who have been telling us for some time that they’d like to have more options on how to get an Xbox One,” he should have just said “we’ve chopped $100 off the Xbox One and got rid of Kinect – FILL YOUR BOOTS!”

When everyone said the PS3 needed a price cut, Sony CEO Nobuyuki Oneda stated: “this year, our strategy is not to sell more quantity for PS3 but to concentrate on profitability. Our plan is not to reduce the price.” A week later Sony had reduced the price.

 

Now those issues are dealt with, it’s time for a clear run back to popularity

All of the above sounds bad. It sounds almost disastrous, but as I’ve said at the start, the console business is cyclical. The PS3 had a tough first-half of its lifespan, but it eventually clawed its way back to profitability and popularity. Last-gen went on for way too long, we’re all aware of that that. But look at Sony’s position now. The PS3 continues to sell, as does the Vita and the PS4 is top of the foodchain.

There’s absolutely no reason why Microsoft can’t get itself back on form, shoulder-to-shoulder with Sony. There are already signs of improvement – Titanfall is a great exclusive to associate your console with, Games With Gold is getting better every month, hardware sales are up (and manufacturing costs will drop) as Kinect has been jettisoned. And making the very likeable Phil Spencer top dog after the departure of robotic Don Mattrick was the smartest decision management has made in a long time.

Competition is good. And nothing will improve console gaming across the board more than the continued rivalry, back-and-forth and one-upmanship of Microsoft and Sony. Long may it continue.

Read more here: http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/29/history-repeating-xbox-one-is-following-ps3-rocky-first-year/

Since when were you an Xbox fan?



Avro1958 said:
ErwinMoC said:


MS is fighting a completley different battle now than what Sony did with the PS4. Sony was arrogant and overpriced there system. Sony did not force a policy on the consumer that would dictate what they would do with there purchases or other restrictive polices. People are pissed and they still are. The MASSIVE loss of marketshare in the US is proof of that. They have to overcome that and the fact that Sony has best versions of multiplats.


Very funny joke.

I think I am missing something.


Expensive is not the same as overpriced. 

The PS3 was actually underpriced, Sony sold each unit at loss and considerably so . To put things in perspective the cheapest bluray players at the time were $1000. 

$600 was the a ridiculous good deal, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still a lot of money, more than gamers usually can or will afford. And this is really the only reason the 360 managed to beat the PS3. Anyone trying to make parallels with the PS3 and the X1 is just fooling him/herself.