Know thy enemy. I'd really like to know where you guys stand, and even fellow Xbox fans for that matter.

To me anyway, the main perception mistake is this:

Selling better = 1st Place

This means things "that can save us" like the removing of controversal polocies, Xbox 1 Games for Gold, removing Gold paywall for apps, Titanfall, removing kinect/$399 price drop. And now in the future people seem to think that the tier 2 countries, China launch head start, Sunset Overdrive and Halo MCC will magically shoot us to the top.

Look, we aren't blind to geographical sales data. We didn't get a head start launch like last gen. Mainland Europe and Japan aren't going to win this for us. China is a wild card that will likely not amount to much. Hell we will be lucky to eventually take NA. Exclusives give boosts but tend not to last as they have to be consistent throughout the year to have lasting results.

What we DO want, is X1 to be a better version of itself. And we are getting that. Polocies we didn't like are gone, we now have free games for Gold, we are getting more indie games, Kinect is an option, and we have a surprising amount of AAA variety that isn't available on our competition. And now Xbox Entertainment is closed, something I personally never cared for (aside from the Halo projects) since they had zero benefit to the gamer. What the issue is, is that PS fans believe that X1's recent sales boosts and changes will skyrocket it to 1st place....at least they think that we believe that. We do not. We haven't even taken 2nd yet, geez ;).

Selling better /= 1st place. I get it. Some people here felt the last place sting in the 7th gen and want to secure their position once again. You have it. You can brag and gloat, as is tradition in the console war, but at least be educated enough that we realize we aren't going to overtake you guys this gen. X1 being a comfortable 2nd, being successful enough to continue a sustainable business is what we want.

So yes, the $399 SKU, tier 2 counties launch, Halo MCC, and Sunset Overdrive will "save" Xbox One.....from its 2013 self, not for what PS fans seem to think.

K.

- Moderated, Carl. When the mod note is longer than your post, you know you're doing it wrong.

Didn't read, but to answer the thread topic. No.

Last place sting? So is this a question to Xbox fans?

Lol, I thought the same thing in regards to your first paragraph. For some reason people like to make lists of things and say this will save the Xbox One (or Wii U) and think that's what Xbox fans think, which is quite funny .

I concur. Im happy if its a good console, not if its number 1, and i dont expect xbox one to be number one. Its weird that people state all the time, sales doesnt equal quality but then turn around and say one or the other is better because of sales.

Sorry but ill enjoy my consoles including xbox one which id def say im liking the most as of this moment. Im a horrible person i know.  I can feel the hatred now

Didn't GWG actually get worse? You know with the horrible renting system the PS always had.

Also you have to realize that the big part of the core console wars is fought by the most hardened fanboys. You know, the ones who actually think X1 can take the 1st place. I don't think any moderate Playstation fans think that any moderate Xbox fans think they will win.

Last place ? Last gen ?

That's the thing. I am considered to be among the most hardened of Xbox fans. And I see the factors at play. Europe/Japan and no head start.......it is really hard to not take those into account.

The question in your thread title is confusing. Are you asking "Do Playstations fans seriously think Xbox fans think the Xbox One can take 1st?" ?