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Player2 on 09 July 2014
Wyrdness said:
Player2 said:

Yeah, we had Villa in the hospital recovering from a broken leg and Torres warming the bench.

This is Spain's starting 11 in the Euro 2012 final against Italy:

Casillas, Arbeloa, Piqué, Ramos, Alba, Xavi, Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Silva, Fábregas and Iniesta. No striker.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2012_Final

 

Defensive midfielders only need to be good and defending? If that it's what people think in england no wonder why their national team has been so sucessful in the last decades.

A defensive midfielder with good passing skills (in addition to defensive skills) is extremely important in offensive play to avoid losing the ball in critical zones (and therefore concede counterattacks) or having to rely in long pass. Johan Cruyff was seeking so hard for such a player when he was Barcelona's coach that as soon as he saw Guardiola playing for Barcelona's youth team he ordered the coach to make him play as defensive midfielder. Guardiola ended being Barcelona's defensive midfielder and cornerstone in the 90's, and I'd bet people remember him doing more than running and tackling in his player days.

Fernando Redondo, Marcos Senna or even Yayá Touré are examples of defensive midfielders with good passing skills too.

The fact that players like Makelele are the ones seen as some sort of golden standard for defensive midfielders when other players can get the job done and then do much, much more is disturbing.

The lack of passing skills is why Alex Song has failed in Barcelona.

Of course if your plan is to park the bus or play long pass Gattuso or Paulinho are good enough.

 

I think it's pretty clear now who has no idea.


Except Villa and Torres played in the tournament which makes you look even more clueless then your attempt to look smart, Torres got 3 goals that tournament, a midfielder is the medium between defence and offence so obviously passing is in their game for the role, Makelele had good passing skills and was adept at releasing his team mates ofcourse arm chair fans like yourself can't fathom that as you only understand a vague and limited definition of player roles. A defensive midfielder is a midfielder who is more focused on the covering of his team mates to help guard the back and a medium for releasing the ball to the offence minded players, the fact you think defending is only tackling highlights how out your depth you are and your bitterness is indicated further by your dig at England, in fact I'm British of Zambian decent I just like England as the people here are great.

Makelele being good defensively is no different to Paul Scholes being good offensively, that's their role each person handles it and does it differently which is why Alex Song didn't fit into Barca he has a different style to what they need much like how Diego Costa is a good striker but doesn't fit into the current Spanish style of play. Congratulations you just confirmed what I thought, not only are you not geared up on player roles but you can't grasp the concept of different styles of play for each role.

Okay, if you think that Makelele was good at passing, that players sitting in the bench have an impact on the match or refuse to accept that Villa didn't play in the 2012 Euro (maybe he did in spirit, who knows) I give up.

From his Wikipedia page:

(...)He broke his tibia in a Club World Cup match in Yokohama against Al Sadd. Doctors said he was to be out of action for up to six months,[101][102][103] but this eventually led to him missing the entire 2011–12 season with both Barcelona and the Spanish football team at Euro 2012.(...)



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Fededx on 09 July 2014

I'm expecting Nederlands playing bad, like they did against Costa Rica and Mexico (can't believe they won over Mexico!), I think they'll be no match for Argentina, I really really hope there's some good ootball, and Robeen stops trying to get a penalty. I expect a 2-0 in favor of Arg



poklane on 09 July 2014

Robben, please repeat this



poklane on 09 July 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
Love that video. The amount of times the commentator shouts Dennis Bergkamp! was really funny

Sucks he only does radio, not television :'(



LurkerJ on 09 July 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
kowenicki said:
Argentina win hopefully.

I want to see Robben and Van Persie (oh... and Kirby) in tears please and balloon head looking glum, as I hope he will for the next 12 months at least.


WTF is a balloon head?

Louis Van gal.



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S.Peelman on 09 July 2014

Germany was awesome yesterday. Absolutely perfect. I hope we can be equally inspired today. I am more optimistic than I was at this point. I predicted Argentina would make it to the final. Now though, I'm thinking we will win, so I'm changing my prediction. Maybe it's just the euphoria from yesterday that makes me think this, but it doesn't matter anymore. Go Netherlands, Europe rules, once more!

Netherlands 2-0 Argentina



Legendary_W on 09 July 2014
Nkh3 said:
Well, it seems that everything I want on this wc is happening. (since 2002 I ALWAYS supported teams[Netherlands and Germany mainly] that ended up losing in both euro and mundial with the exception of [who would have thought] Greece in 2004).
In this world cup I really wanted Holland to "destroy" Spain (even though I never thought it would happen) and they did with a 1-5 and some amazing goals.
I also wanted Germany to "destroy" Brazil (I use destroy to show that I wanted many goals scored not that I want the teams humiliated.).
now I want Holland to destroy Argentina you know why....???
I didn't feel that way at first, but now after seeing how much assholes many of their fans are (I'm talking about their reaction to Neymar's injury) and seeing Maradona feeling happy as fuck (what an ASSHOLE) posting his disgracefull pictures on the internet and his country feeeling perfectly fine about it...
I want to see them humiliated.
Because they do this cause they are envious that they have 2 wc and Brazil 5 and their 5 wcs were won because they diserved it and not because of political interests and with cheating.Plus Holland deserves a cup.Nothing against the players btw.And be carefull...I don't talk collectivelly for all the Argentinians just the many assholes.

Of course I don't believe we'll see what I want,but I'll be perfectly happy with Netherlands just winnig.


Bear in mind that here in Argentina Maradona is considered a complete idiot and a very unpleasant person. Sure, he rocked at football, but he sucks as a human being, so don't pay attention to that waste of a man. On the other hand, the fans you mentioned... Well, let's just say that the most idiotic fans are the loudest as far as I can tell. Besides, if Germany had beatten us 7-1 and not Brazil, Brazilian fans would probably react the same. Sure, my country is full of a**holes, but so does all the others.

I hate those fans myself too, though. But I don't give a damn about the fan's opinion in general. I just want my team to win and I only care about what the members of the team itself says, any comment from anyone else shouldn't have any effect on the team's reputation, it's no their fault that they have asshole fans or whatever.



kirby007 on 09 July 2014

Oh thats where this is coming from you are jelly @ united.. BAHAHAHAHA



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poklane on 09 July 2014

Parents who tell their kids to go to bed before/during the game: idiots.



Barozi on 09 July 2014
Barozi said:
Some pieces of information I read elsewhere (Sport1.de) about the France - Germany game.

16.90m viewers in France (72.1% market share)
26.25m viewers in Germany (85.0% market share)
~22m viewers in China (~26% market share)
0.11m viewers in Spain (1.3% market share)
5.19m viewers in England (34.3% market share)

Yesterday's game set a new record for German television.

32.57m viewers in Germany (87.8% market share)
11.52m viewers in England (51.0% market share)