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Player2 on 09 July 2014
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Wyrdness said:
Player2 said:

Yeah, we had Villa in the hospital recovering from a broken leg and Torres warming the bench.

This is Spain's starting 11 in the Euro 2012 final against Italy:

Casillas, Arbeloa, Piqué, Ramos, Alba, Xavi, Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Silva, Fábregas and Iniesta. No striker.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2012_Final

 

Defensive midfielders only need to be good and defending? If that it's what people think in england no wonder why their national team has been so sucessful in the last decades.

A defensive midfielder with good passing skills (in addition to defensive skills) is extremely important in offensive play to avoid losing the ball in critical zones (and therefore concede counterattacks) or having to rely in long pass. Johan Cruyff was seeking so hard for such a player when he was Barcelona's coach that as soon as he saw Guardiola playing for Barcelona's youth team he ordered the coach to make him play as defensive midfielder. Guardiola ended being Barcelona's defensive midfielder and cornerstone in the 90's, and I'd bet people remember him doing more than running and tackling in his player days.

Fernando Redondo, Marcos Senna or even Yayá Touré are examples of defensive midfielders with good passing skills too.

The fact that players like Makelele are the ones seen as some sort of golden standard for defensive midfielders when other players can get the job done and then do much, much more is disturbing.

The lack of passing skills is why Alex Song has failed in Barcelona.

Of course if your plan is to park the bus or play long pass Gattuso or Paulinho are good enough.

 

I think it's pretty clear now who has no idea.


Except Villa and Torres played in the tournament which makes you look even more clueless then your attempt to look smart, Torres got 3 goals that tournament, a midfielder is the medium between defence and offence so obviously passing is in their game for the role, Makelele had good passing skills and was adept at releasing his team mates ofcourse arm chair fans like yourself can't fathom that as you only understand a vague and limited definition of player roles. A defensive midfielder is a midfielder who is more focused on the covering of his team mates to help guard the back and a medium for releasing the ball to the offence minded players, the fact you think defending is only tackling highlights how out your depth you are and your bitterness is indicated further by your dig at England, in fact I'm British of Zambian decent I just like England as the people here are great.

Makelele being good defensively is no different to Paul Scholes being good offensively, that's their role each person handles it and does it differently which is why Alex Song didn't fit into Barca he has a different style to what they need much like how Diego Costa is a good striker but doesn't fit into the current Spanish style of play. Congratulations you just confirmed what I thought, not only are you not geared up on player roles but you can't grasp the concept of different styles of play for each role.

Okay, if you think that Makelele was good at passing, that players sitting in the bench have an impact on the match or refuse to accept that Villa didn't play in the 2012 Euro (maybe he did in spirit, who knows) I give up.

From his Wikipedia page:

(...)He broke his tibia in a Club World Cup match in Yokohama against Al Sadd. Doctors said he was to be out of action for up to six months,[101][102][103] but this eventually led to him missing the entire 2011–12 season with both Barcelona and the Spanish football team at Euro 2012.(...)