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curl-6 said:
 

I found GCN to be Nintendo's nadir.

They butchered Zelda, 3D Mario, and Starfox, overcomplicated Mario Kart, and Melee's one of the most overrated games in existence. Metroid Prime 1 & 2, RE4, and Twilight Princess were awesome, but they had superior Wii versions

I'm sorry but Metroid Prime 1 is in my opinion the greatest game Nintendo has ever produced. That game and Eternal Darkness alone made the GCN for me.

 

(Also, Double Dash was great. Seriously it's just two characters on  Kart, it's not fucking rocket science.)

 

Soundwave said:
Podings said:
There is no basis whatsoever for expecting a new Nintendo home system to arrive less than four years after the previous one.


I think Nintendo fans may want to enjoy their Wii U while it lasts, because there probably isn't a successor to it coming in a traditional sense, not because Nintendo feels obligated to support the system for X amount of years, but moreso because they will have little interest in continuing forward in the console space. 

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft bails out of the console biz too after this gen. 

Sony will likely be the only one left that's really strongly attached to the idea of a traditional home console, most because they have the most to lose. 

Nintendo's console audience has basically whittled away into such a small niche that they won't really miss it, they'll just roll that audience into their handheld base and let future handhelds run games on the TV. 

Nintendo's not in this business to provide support to platforms that sell a paltry 3 millions units/year, the Wii U will be supported through 2015 just to keep the fans happy, but I think behind the scenes they're already well underway in focusing on different hardware pillars which will actually be the future of their business (for their sake they better hope that QOL thing takes off). 



You don't need to repeat your theory 4 times in the same thread man.



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Finally, we also learned today that Wii U hardware on its own is now profitable. Meaning that even at low sales, its still making money on its own even without a single game sale. 

What this all means is that Nintendo is not going to abandon a low selling profitable console and risk ruining its relationship with current Nintendo core. Instead they will continue to support the console for a normal life span which is commonly at least 5 years or 2017.

It is good to see them clearing this up. Even people who are moderately interested in the console end up not getting it because there is too much negative noise around it. 



Pretty much what i expected. Nintendo knows well where SEGA failed.

Rushing systems out just rushed their own demise.

Its good that he came out and said it, so the most unsure of purchasers can now feel more at ease.

 

Superchunk, you could give us the link to the article btw.



burning_phoneix said:
curl-6 said:
 

I found GCN to be Nintendo's nadir.

They butchered Zelda, 3D Mario, and Starfox, overcomplicated Mario Kart, and Melee's one of the most overrated games in existence. Metroid Prime 1 & 2, RE4, and Twilight Princess were awesome, but they had superior Wii versions

I'm sorry but Metroid Prime 1 is in my opinion the greatest game Nintendo has ever produced. That game and Eternal Darkness alone made the GCN for me.

 

(Also, Double Dash was great. Seriously it's just two characters on  Kart, it's not fucking rocket science.)

But it is an unnecessary barrier to casual players while only harming the elegant simplicity of the series. And don't get me started about how the karts handle like top-heavy dune buggies.



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Soundwave said:

The Wii U honestly could by the end of 2015 will have pretty as good of an output as the GameCube did LTD.

If we confirm every Nintendo published Wii U game we know to be in development through 2015, lets even assume the only games that we don't know about that Nintendo releases for the Wii U in 2015 is Metroid U and Mario Party U:

list

Lets compare this to really all the major Nintendo published games from the GameCube era prior to the Wii's release:

list


To me Nintendo is really only "on the hook" for the Wii U through the end of 2015. If they want to phase it out after that, they will be well within their rights to do so IMO, and they'll have delivered enough Nintendo content to justify its existence. 

The OP kinda stretches what Iwata said too, he never promised any number of years, but if Nintendo provides all the above listed Wii U titles, then to me a Nintendo fan can't really complain about the system not getting enough Nintendo support -- it's fairly easily on par with the GameCube at least even after just 3 years.


You know, one of the biggest mistakes of war is to think that what has worked before will work again.

Its a different age. The internet more widespread, everything analysed to minute detail and customers are more demanding than ever. That would not be enough.

All the games that have been announced so far beeing released will not be enough. They need 2 more years of support after that for people not to feel burned. Not everyone buys consoles at launch aswell. Many people waited for these releases this year to buy a Wii U. Also, lets not forget the Capcom support to the GC. They had plenty of exclusives. Viewtful Joe, PN03, REmake, RE0, RE4,etc.

For it to be phased off now is not a good resolution. The console wasnt front loaded and delays were plenty.

The CEO says its not happening and you guys should give it a rest. The Wii U is here to stay. Better learn to accept it rather than constantly doom it to a premature death. Its not happening. They are aware that SEGA killed itself on that. Without the core fans, Nintendo is nothing. They cant piss them off. Even on this strugguling system their own games see multiple millions on sales. Why would they risk losing that? What would accomplish rushing a new console and sending it to die harder than the Wii U?

Have you looked at Mario Kart 8? That isnt a system with no life in it. Theres still much the Wii U has to offer, there is no point in sending it to an early grave.



superchunk said:

In tonight's Q&A session following the overall presentation Iwata was asked about the next console. Iwata's reply was that they cannot release a new console until they've satisfied the existing WiiU owners otherwise they'd be similar to SEGA.

Additionally, earlier today Nintendo discussed new hardware in terms of fiscal years and it was clear in that presentation that FY16 or more than likely FY17 was when we'd see something. 

Next you have to consider the known games coming. MK8, SSB, Hyrule Warriors, X, Bayonetta2 and many others are this year. Zelda, yarnyoshi, and many others are known already for 2015. Then we have the tease of two major games at this E3... one that will prove soloplayer must-have gamepad use and one based around the new NFP figurines. As well as the mention today that many other games will be announced at E3.

Finally, we also learned today that Wii U hardware on its own is now profitable. Meaning that even at low sales, its still making money on its own even without a single game sale. 

 

What this all means is that Nintendo is not going to abandon a low selling profitable console and risk ruining its relationship with current Nintendo core. Instead they will continue to support the console for a normal life span which is commonly at least 5 years or 2017.

With the current pace of Wii U sell-through, I've been stating I believed we'd see something new in 2015 with a launch in 2016. NOW I am back to the original pre-WiiU launch belief that we won't see a new Nintendo home console until holiday 2017 and it may be shown to world in 2016 at the earliest.

So stop with the redesigned WiiU/gamepad-less design/etc crap. Nintendo is not going to make the same mistake SEGA did and kill of a main console early. It's not going to drop the biggest benefit the console has. Its now setup to make marginal to great profits while it prepares for a normal time frame between generational hardware launches.

What are those "many other games" scheduled for 2014 and 2015? They are not in the Nintendo report. By many others you mean 1 or 2 games?

We still don't know if the Wii U is profitable or just break even. Up until the end of this FY, the console was being sold at a loss, so I don't think Nintendo is just happy of breaking even taking into accoun t that the attach rate is bad. With a low userbase that buys few games, it's quite difficult to make any money, and even if you did, it will be really small quantities.

Nintendo didn't say they wouldnt be releasing a new console before 2017, that's just made up. The wording was totally different.



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trestres said:
superchunk said:

In tonight's Q&A session following the overall presentation Iwata was asked about the next console. Iwata's reply was that they cannot release a new console until they've satisfied the existing WiiU owners otherwise they'd be similar to SEGA.

Additionally, earlier today Nintendo discussed new hardware in terms of fiscal years and it was clear in that presentation that FY16 or more than likely FY17 was when we'd see something. 

Next you have to consider the known games coming. MK8, SSB, Hyrule Warriors, X, Bayonetta2 and many others are this year. Zelda, yarnyoshi, and many others are known already for 2015. Then we have the tease of two major games at this E3... one that will prove soloplayer must-have gamepad use and one based around the new NFP figurines. As well as the mention today that many other games will be announced at E3.

Finally, we also learned today that Wii U hardware on its own is now profitable. Meaning that even at low sales, its still making money on its own even without a single game sale. 

 

What this all means is that Nintendo is not going to abandon a low selling profitable console and risk ruining its relationship with current Nintendo core. Instead they will continue to support the console for a normal life span which is commonly at least 5 years or 2017.

With the current pace of Wii U sell-through, I've been stating I believed we'd see something new in 2015 with a launch in 2016. NOW I am back to the original pre-WiiU launch belief that we won't see a new Nintendo home console until holiday 2017 and it may be shown to world in 2016 at the earliest.

So stop with the redesigned WiiU/gamepad-less design/etc crap. Nintendo is not going to make the same mistake SEGA did and kill of a main console early. It's not going to drop the biggest benefit the console has. Its now setup to make marginal to great profits while it prepares for a normal time frame between generational hardware launches.

What are those "many other games" scheduled for 2014 and 2015? They are not in the Nintendo report. By many others you mean 1 or 2 games?

We still don't know if the Wii U is profitable or just break even. Up until the end of this FY, the console was being sold at a loss, so I don't think Nintendo is just happy of breaking even taking into accoun t that the attach rate is bad. With a low userbase that buys few games, it's quite difficult to make any money, and even if you did, it will be really small quantities.

Nintendo didn't say they wouldnt be releasing a new console before 2017, that's just made up. The wording was totally different.

I believe that the "many other games" referred to are the 15 upcoming third party games that are listed in the Nintendo report.

Wii U was being sold at a loss as at end of March this year, but it appears that since then, it has been selling at a profit.

All Iwata has said is that there is work on new hardware in the pipeline as there always is, and that they won't be releasing a new console until existing Wii U owners are satisfied. No dates confirmed.



curl-6 said:
The haters only want Nintendo to move on to their next console so that said console will bomb even worse than W


That's the case about 90+% of the time. I haven't heard a single reasonably thought out argument that justifies Nintendo pivoting on their hardware so soon.

 

The only thing that POSSIBLY makes any sense to me is that they suddenly have a beast system and drop several hundred million dollars for Destiny exclusivity, Titanfall sequel, and secure Fallout 4 as a timed exclusive + their existing lineup. But I think we're way past them having a shot of doing anything like that.



I predict NX launches in 2017 - not 2016