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ICStats on 17 April 2014
dahuman said:
ICStats said:
Dan Stapleton is doing himself and IGN a disservice by carrying on this stupid dialog in public.


He's simply discrediting somebody for misrepresenting his company, and it's logical to do it in public IMO. What's the point of taking up the issue in private when Joe is even acting like a teenager on a public tweet?

Joe showed one slide with a quote from IGN's preview, and one slide with IGN's final review score.  Both of those were opinions published by IGN.  The fact that they were at different times doesn't mean you can't quote both of them when talking about IGN's opinion.  Even if IGN revised, or didn't include that text in their review, it was still something that they published.

If Barack obama made a slip up in a speech, and then after that didn't mention it any more, do you think people would ever forget what he originally said?

I think it's a stretch to call it a misquote, a big technical leap.  "It was 8.9 not 9!" "It was two separate articles!",  yeah OK nobody who can read between the lines cares.  Carrying on about it is pretty childish.  

Yes Joe is retorting to name calling, but that's his problem.  Calling someone an idiot and childish when they're kindof idiotic and childish is not going to get Joe a bad rep, because he already has that "angry" image.



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dahuman on 17 April 2014
DD_Bwest said:
dahuman said:
DD_Bwest said:
my god dan is a dumbass, He starts the whole thing because his panties are twisted in knots because he got called out and now hes made everything far worse by looking like such a tool. Doesnt look good for IGN at all. he deserves a facepalm..

right or not, he looks like a whiny 14yo moron for getting into whats basically a playground argument.


To be fair, Dan wasn't very aggressive if you read the tweet, Joe was the one calling names and refuse to give a straight up apology for making an obvious mistake and kept on with the insults as a distraction to really talk about the issue at hand, Dan acted as an adult while Joe acted like a frustrated crook.

No, an adult would contact AJ in a private manner.  The way he chose to approach this whole thing is what makes him look childish.

Also, it appears people will side with one or the other based on the semantics of the argument.  in cases like this no one is really right,  but that doesnt change the fact dan made himself look terrible, and im sure IGN isnt to happy about it.

With the way Joe acted, do you think the problem would have been solved in private? I personally think it would have went worse, and to do it in public can at least give people a chance to decide if the things Joe did was in the right or wrong, and the thing Joe did was in fact wrong and was in noway civil in the public conversation when all he had to do was acknowledge where he fucked up and moved on. This has nothing to do with big corp looking down on the small guy or who's morally correct, but rather that if you can't quote properly, then what the fuck are you doing reviewing stuff for us?



dahuman on 17 April 2014
ICStats said:
dahuman said:
ICStats said:
Dan Stapleton is doing himself and IGN a disservice by carrying on this stupid dialog in public.


He's simply discrediting somebody for misrepresenting his company, and it's logical to do it in public IMO. What's the point of taking up the issue in private when Joe is even acting like a teenager on a public tweet?

Joe showed one slide with a quote from IGN's preview, and one slide with IGN's final review score.  Both of those were opinions published by IGN.  The fact that they were at different times doesn't mean you can't quote both of them when talking about IGN's opinion.  Even if IGN revised, or didn't include that text in their review, it was still something that they published.

If Barack obama made a slip up in a speech, and then after that didn't mention it any more, do you think people would ever forget what he originally said?

I think it's a stretch to call it a misquote, a big technical leap, and carrying on about it is pretty childish.  Yes Joe is retorting to name calling, but that's his problem.  Does not negate Dan taking this argument too far.


You work with games right? Tell me, if a preview says the game is trash but the end review is a 9/10 because the game ended up being great after polish, would it still be fair to quote the preview in contrast to the review? They are not in the same context because they are done in different situations or times, even if somehow the opinions didn't change much from preview to review, you just can't use them in the same context because opinions can change at anytime.



Cj2i3 on 17 April 2014

Angryjoes immaturity strikes again, kudos to him for consistently resorting to name calling so he can stop to puerile levels.
Granted, Dan was pretty much instigating the whole thing, but Joe is nothing more than those internet warriors who believe only their opinion is correct.
8.0, 8.4, 8.9, 9.0 fuck idc if it's a decimal score from one outlet or not.



mornelithe on 17 April 2014
dahuman said:
DD_Bwest said:
dahuman said:
DD_Bwest said:
my god dan is a dumbass, He starts the whole thing because his panties are twisted in knots because he got called out and now hes made everything far worse by looking like such a tool. Doesnt look good for IGN at all. he deserves a facepalm..

right or not, he looks like a whiny 14yo moron for getting into whats basically a playground argument.


To be fair, Dan wasn't very aggressive if you read the tweet, Joe was the one calling names and refuse to give a straight up apology for making an obvious mistake and kept on with the insults as a distraction to really talk about the issue at hand, Dan acted as an adult while Joe acted like a frustrated crook.

No, an adult would contact AJ in a private manner.  The way he chose to approach this whole thing is what makes him look childish.

Also, it appears people will side with one or the other based on the semantics of the argument.  in cases like this no one is really right,  but that doesnt change the fact dan made himself look terrible, and im sure IGN isnt to happy about it.

With the way Joe acted, do you think the problem would have been solved in private? I personally think it would have went worse, and to do it in public can at least give people a chance to decide if the things Joe did was in the right or wrong, and the thing Joe did was in fact wrong and was in noway civil in the public conversation when all he had to do was acknowledge where he fucked up and moved on. This has nothing to do with big corp looking down on the small guy or who's morally correct, but rather that if you can't quote properly, then what the fuck are you doing reviewing stuff for us?

If you look at the timeline of the dialogue, Dan starts out attacking Joe unsolicited, and off-topic.



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dahuman on 17 April 2014
adriane23 said:

Dan Stapleton is a true moron, and he should really stop trying to argue with people that are smarter than him (that's pretty much everyone). I remember arguing with him over the BS regarding not giving GTA Online a review score, and I swear it was like arguing with an 8 year old. His points made no sense and were just full of holes. He really needs to stop embarassing himself.


I agree that a lot of people at IGN are idiots, but the issue at hand is not whether or not he should give that game a review score but rather how Joe is misquoting things, let's stick to the topic at hand instead of how Dan is obviously an idiot.



DD_Bwest on 17 April 2014
dahuman said:
DD_Bwest said:

No, an adult would contact AJ in a private manner.  The way he chose to approach this whole thing is what makes him look childish.

Also, it appears people will side with one or the other based on the semantics of the argument.  in cases like this no one is really right,  but that doesnt change the fact dan made himself look terrible, and im sure IGN isnt to happy about it.

With the way Joe acted, do you think the problem would have been solved in private? I personally think it would have went worse, and to do it in public can at least give people a chance to decide if the things Joe did was in the right or wrong, and the thing Joe did was in fact wrong and was in noway civil in the public conversation when all he had to do was acknowledge where he fucked up and moved on. This has nothing to do with big corp looking down on the small guy or who's morally correct, but rather that if you can't quote properly, then what the fuck are you doing reviewing stuff for us?


you cant honestly believe he tried to solve the problem in an adult manner by starting the whole thing with a tweet asking if aj will malicously misquote people do you? 



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Leadified on 17 April 2014
dahuman said:
Leadified said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:
DélioPT said:
The IGN guy is right. His quote was taken out of one context and used in another which ended up giving the wrong image of the actual review.
That, to me, was unfair. He had the right to correct Angry Joe on the matter: if his review didn`t reflect what AJ was trying to show, his review shouldn´t have been used as na exemple of that.

If I remember correctly Angry Joe was talking about reviewers giving Titanfall high scores then a picture of IGN's 8.9/10 showed up in th background, how is that taking anything out of context?

Youtube embedding is broken here's the link, the whole thing started from what Joe said at 8:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZhUHOqaC5_A#t=500

Here's the video since no one else linked it yet. He said major outlets were giving the game high scores and telling people to believe to hype, which they did. Dan is technically right about a 8.9 not being a 9 but that is completely irrelevant since 8.9 is still a "high score". So really Dan's comments were pretty much uncalled for.

But that's not why Dan had an issue with it, I think you are missing the point of why he questioned Joe in the first place.

What Dan said is factually incorrect. He said that, "Talking about reviews and then showing a quote not in the review is misrepresenting our review." Firstly, Joe was never talking about the reviews, he was talking about review scores AND that outlets were saying things like "believe the hype". Did IGN do both of those things? Yes they did. Dan is accusing Joe of things he never did in the first place.

If Joe said that quote came from IGN's review then Joe would be wrong and indeed he would be misquoting but he didn't.



ICStats on 17 April 2014
dahuman said:

You work with games right? Tell me, if a preview says the game is trash but the end review is a 9/10 because the game ended up being great after polish, would it still be fair to quote the preview in contrast to the review? They are not in the same context because they are done in different situations or times, even if somehow the opinions didn't change much from preview to review, you just can't use them in the same context because opinions can change at anytime.

I can't argue with that, however this is not to that extreme.

When someone goes from saying the game is trash to 9/10 it's pretty obvious they changed their mind; they might even go on the record of saying how wrong they were in their first impression.

I haven't read the IGN review completely, but did they ever say "We thought it was worth the hype, but actually it's not?"



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petroleo on 17 April 2014
Rychussnik said:
petroleo said:
The game after a while is hell boredoom, period. Xbox one users are just on the defense side cause is probably for them the only game they can praise. In the end thats sad but also I feel you xbox one users bros:

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dude, get that fanboy bullshit outta here. 

on topic, I think joe was right, when Titanfall released, i watched he and IGN's review, and both reviewers make valid points. Joe knocked the game over it's shoehorned campaign, and Ryan (IGN) really enjoyed the chaos of the multiplayer, two different people, two different scores. 

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Thats exactly the problem with today reviewers, most of them beeing impartial and aim all their apreciation  towards just one part of the game for example MP only part, Joe in other hand sees games as what it has to have to be a complete package thats why I agree 100% on him. That reviewer in IGN should get a department change and stay away from reviews cause this guys cant differentiate between a complete game and a half game, MP only games shouldn't cost full price , I wouldn't have any problem with Titanfall if it cost at max 29.99,  I mean you need to have by force internet to have fun with this game. and you know what is even worse ?, if a new guy/girl start playing this game right now, I'm 100% sure is gonna get owned by the most advance players. I mean really pay 60 bucks to get owned right away ?, that's why SP part is so important it dives you into the game mechanics first.