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sc94597 on 09 April 2014
mornelithe said:
sc94597 said:
withdreday said:

Only because it's not hot outside in chicago yet. Conceled carry doesn't effect street gangs, so sadly it will rise back up.

The only way to stop it is to take all guns away, but it's 'merica, so that will never happen.

Actually the only way to reduce crime is to decriminalize all illegal drugs so that cartels don't have a monopoly on their sales, and so that the price of drugs decreases, allowing for more competition in the market. Drug prohibition is responsible for the majority of the violent crime in the United States. We need to target the incentives for violence rather than the means to enact it (there will always be some way to kill.) 

Not that I care either way, really, I don't.  But, banning firearms seems to have had a sustained impact on lowering the murder rate in Australia.

Yes, but all other violent crime went up. 



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mornelithe on 09 April 2014
sc94597 said:
mornelithe said:
sc94597 said:
withdreday said:

Only because it's not hot outside in chicago yet. Conceled carry doesn't effect street gangs, so sadly it will rise back up.

The only way to stop it is to take all guns away, but it's 'merica, so that will never happen.

Actually the only way to reduce crime is to decriminalize all illegal drugs so that cartels don't have a monopoly on their sales, and so that the price of drugs decreases, allowing for more competition in the market. Drug prohibition is responsible for the majority of the violent crime in the United States. We need to target the incentives for violence rather than the means to enact it (there will always be some way to kill.) 

Not that I care either way, really, I don't.  But, banning firearms seems to have had a sustained impact on lowering the murder rate in Australia.

Yes, but all other violent crime went up. 

Ok...but people are still alive?  Right?  Far easier to heal/recover from a violent crime, than death.



NewWorldOrca on 09 April 2014
SocialistSlayer said:

Chicago police are reporting that the murder rate for the first quarter of the year is the lowest it’s been in more than 50 years, which gun advocates are attributing to a concealed carry law passed in Illinois last year.

The first three months of 2014 have seen the fewest number of homicides since 1958 — six fewer than this time in 2013, and 55 fewer than this time in 2012, The Chicago Sun-Times reported.

 

 

There were "90 fewer shootings and 119 fewer shooting victims" compared to the same time in 2013 and "222 fewer shootings and 292 fewer shooting victims" than the first quarter of 2012.

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Gun-rights advocates argue that concealed carry laws can reduce crime and keep the population safer. The state began accepting applications for permits in January.

“The facts are every time guns have been allowed, concealed-carry has been allowed, the crime rate has gone down,” said Rep. Louie Gohmert, a Texas Republican, just months before Illinois passed the concealed carry law in July 2013.

But Chicago Police Superintendant Garry McCarthy says the opposite is what’s reducing crime: police have recovered 1,300 illegal guns during the first three months of 2014.

Mr. McCarthy also attributed the drop in violence to better police training and community programs to keep kids off the street. Both the city’s top cop and its mayor, former Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, have said they oppose the concealed carry laws.



Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/5/gun-advocates-credit-new-concealed-carry-laws-shar/#ixzz2yQKeWWHo 
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I like when people argue about guns being banned and  then crime goes up, but when they remove guns, crime goes down. And they say we still should ban guns.



NewWorldOrca on 09 April 2014
mornelithe said:
sc94597 said:
withdreday said:

Only because it's not hot outside in chicago yet. Conceled carry doesn't effect street gangs, so sadly it will rise back up.

The only way to stop it is to take all guns away, but it's 'merica, so that will never happen.

Actually the only way to reduce crime is to decriminalize all illegal drugs so that cartels don't have a monopoly on their sales, and so that the price of drugs decreases, allowing for more competition in the market. Drug prohibition is responsible for the majority of the violent crime in the United States. We need to target the incentives for violence rather than the means to enact it (there will always be some way to kill.) 

Not that I care either way, really, I don't.  But, banning firearms seems to have had a sustained impact on lowering the murder rate in Australia.


Yeah but thats like apples and oranges, some people are careless with guns and underestimate the power, and than there are some people who know how to make a homemaded guns cared zip guns, im not sure but i think police call zip guns under a different name or put them under a different type of weapons since they are made illegally. 



MoHasanie on 09 April 2014

I love visiting Chicago but I had no idea it was so unsafe.



    

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nuckles87 on 09 April 2014
Miguel_Zorro said:
pokoko said:
A gun law so powerful that it had a dramatic effect even a full year before it went into a effect?


Exactly.  This had nothing to do with a change in concealed carry laws.  I'm not strongly for or against gun control.  I *am* strongly for evidence based policy. There was a large decrease in the murder rate from 2012 to 2013, BEFORE the concealed carry law.  In fact, the crime rate has been dropping in Chicago since the early 90s.  It's been dropping across the United States since the early 90s.

Here's the murder rate in NYC, for comparison.  Gun control laws remain strict there.  

Here's a chart that shows the violent crime rate for the entire United States.  Same drop.


Not surprising. The fact that it was from the Washington Times should have been enough to set off anybody's bullcrap detector. They pretty much exist to to report nonsense that other far right organizations can then source. They are a cog in the conservative echo chamber.

Still, good to hear the murder rate has been dropping for awhile....hopefully it will continue to inspite of concealed carry..



sc94597 on 09 April 2014
mornelithe said:
sc94597 said:
mornelithe said:
sc94597 said:
withdreday said:

Only because it's not hot outside in chicago yet. Conceled carry doesn't effect street gangs, so sadly it will rise back up.

The only way to stop it is to take all guns away, but it's 'merica, so that will never happen.

Actually the only way to reduce crime is to decriminalize all illegal drugs so that cartels don't have a monopoly on their sales, and so that the price of drugs decreases, allowing for more competition in the market. Drug prohibition is responsible for the majority of the violent crime in the United States. We need to target the incentives for violence rather than the means to enact it (there will always be some way to kill.) 

Not that I care either way, really, I don't.  But, banning firearms seems to have had a sustained impact on lowering the murder rate in Australia.

Yes, but all other violent crime went up. 

Ok...but people are still alive?  Right?  Far easier to heal/recover from a violent crime, than death.

It depends. Would you rather have five thousand persons raped or robbed so that one person is not murdered(not saying those are the actual statistics, but to make a point.) 

Here are your government statistics. Murders seemed negligible before and after 1997 (not even registered on the chart.) Assault seems to be increasing steadily, while everything else is held constant. 

http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.html

 

Interestingly though your claim that the gun control led to fewer homicides is disputed by your government.  

"The homicide rate was 1.9 per 100,000 in 1996 (which includes the 35 victims of the Port Arthur massacre) and was at its highest in 1999, at 2.0 per 100,000. In 2007, the rate was 1.3 per 100,000, the lowest recorded (since 1996)."



Kasz216 on 09 April 2014
chapset said:
Ho please, The murder rate was down since 2013, all this because they put more police force on the ground and they create more job programs for the youth


It's not that either.

Crime rates are actually just naturally going down.

It's funny.  Crime rates are dropping in Nevada despite the fact that there are LESS polic on the ground.

 

Crime rates are dropping everywhere more or less with very little correlation to anything.

 

One thing missed...?   Changing demographics and people.  It's the actual likely factor for the majority of it.



mornelithe on 09 April 2014
sc94597 said:
mornelithe said:
sc94597 said:
mornelithe said:
sc94597 said:
withdreday said:

Only because it's not hot outside in chicago yet. Conceled carry doesn't effect street gangs, so sadly it will rise back up.

The only way to stop it is to take all guns away, but it's 'merica, so that will never happen.

Actually the only way to reduce crime is to decriminalize all illegal drugs so that cartels don't have a monopoly on their sales, and so that the price of drugs decreases, allowing for more competition in the market. Drug prohibition is responsible for the majority of the violent crime in the United States. We need to target the incentives for violence rather than the means to enact it (there will always be some way to kill.) 

Not that I care either way, really, I don't.  But, banning firearms seems to have had a sustained impact on lowering the murder rate in Australia.

Yes, but all other violent crime went up. 

Ok...but people are still alive?  Right?  Far easier to heal/recover from a violent crime, than death.

It depends. Would you rather have five thousand persons raped or robbed so that one person is not murdered(not saying those are the actual statistics, but to make a point.) 

Here are your government statistics. Murders seemed negligible before and after 1997 (not even registered on the chart.) Assault seems to be increasing steadily, while everything else is held constant. 

http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.html

 

Interestingly though your claim that the gun control led to fewer homicides is disputed by your government.  

"The homicide rate was 1.9 per 100,000 in 1996 (which includes the 35 victims of the Port Arthur massacre) and was at its highest in 1999, at 2.0 per 100,000. In 2007, the rate was 1.3 per 100,000, the lowest recorded (since 1996)."

Yeah...my Government claims allot of things that are patently false. 

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun-control-in-australia/

The American Government also considers Marijuana to be on par with heroin and ecstacy.  Long story short, you can discover more truth on your own than listening to anyone in the halls of power in the American Government.



DamnTastic on 09 April 2014
Acevil said:
DamnTastic said:
NiKKoM said:
Didn't chicago had one of its coldest winter?

yeh I think it was too cold to shoot at eachother.

everybody stayed inside playing videogames.

I wonder if people actually know warm temp usually lead to rise in crime. (Well heat waves, don't know if the colder it is, the less likely you are to pull crimes.)

Also 15 is not a good number in my book. I dare say 5 is not a good number.

yeh I know that.

I was just joking^^