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doesnt mean much when they were pretty much a whole gen behind...and it looks to be the same now.



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MDMAlliance said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
That's offset by the fact that they took the smallest leap with the original Wii. >_>


I do not see the point of this comment.  If you watched the video, he already said that the Wii made an extremely small step.  I feel like you do whatever you can to put the Wii U down, because even though his argument doesn't really mean much in the end, you're pretending like it actually matters what they did 2 generations ago.

I dont consider it to be a leap when they where and still are failry behind to begin with. What does this large leap even mean to game developers or consumers who are already exposed to the PS4 and X1?

I dont buy the small gap argument either, it will show and when it does it'll blow peoples minds. Heck it already is. People said the the same thing about the PS2 and PS3. Hell, I said that. And yet today the difference between a PS2 and a PS3 game is beyond night and day.The Wii was barely pushed above the Gamecube even with Nintendos own titles. But when you compare launch PS3 and 360 games to what they do now, and then look at the sheer raw power inside both the PS4 and X1 things wont look good at all.

NFS Rivals on PS4 is already leagues above NFS MW on U. If you look at NFS Carbon (a launch PS3 game) and Rivals on the PS3 and apply that to scale the PS4 then its going to be nothing short of a visual massacre.

If Nintendo hopes to release a gen 9 system on par with the PS5 and XBoxTwo for example it will basically have to make TWO jumps in one go.

 

  • 1st jump, match the PS4/X1.
  • 2nd jump close to the PS5/X2 as possible.

 

That wont do them any favours, given how they are struggling with the U. They basically shot themselves in the foot, twice. 

 I dont put the U down, I own one for petes sake. That said I dont defend it either, not in the slightest. Truth is the Wii U has tons of things about it worth criticising. Just like the launch PS3 I call a spade a spade, not a big spoon. This system has serious issues.

I dont approve of its hardware at all. Nintendo had the money and resources to make something truly decent. 2GHz quad core. 2GB GDDR5 unified memory shared with a 5670HD equivalent GPU. But nope. They set the bar low, far too low. I feel Nintendo has backed itself into a corner. I dont see gen 8 being salvaged and gen 9 will be a deciding moment in regards Nintendos future in the home console business.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

gooch_destroyer said:


It may look that way, but technically no - he is wrong.

The flops increase from the ps3-ps4 is far greater than that of the wii to the wiiU simply due to the ps4 being almost 2 terrflops in power. That dicks on any jump made by the other consoles.



TheJimbo1234 said:
 

It may look that way, but technically no - he is wrong.

The flops increase from the ps3-ps4 is far greater than that of the wii to the wiiU simply due to the ps4 being almost 2 terrflops in power. That dicks on any jump made by the other consoles.

I think the concept of proportionality was a bit lost on you, though I admit the video doesn't make it too obvious at first.

Say the Wii pushed 20 GFLOPS, the Wii-U pushes 200 GFLOPS, and that's a ten times increase. Now if the PS3 pushed 400 and the PS4 2000, that's a five times increase. X360 to X1 was about four times increase.

But still that's reading a bit too much and falling for a FLOPS novelty. There are many other factors who affect power and performance, and a many possible bottlenecks due to a shortcoming on design.

Otherwise we would all be back to lauding the massive increases from the sixth to the seventh generation, who would be read as much as 20 times increase looking at GFLOPS alone.



 

 

 

 

 

d21lewis said:
curl-6 said:

Graphically it's a bigger leap over Wii than PS4/Xbone are over PS3/360, yes.

 

d21lewis said:
And they're still behind the Xbox 360 in most areas.

Such as?

Indie games, Live event player, cross game chat, demos for every indie/arcade game, built in memory, requesting friends to play a game, playing movies/music from an HDD or PC, sharing games with multiple consoles, Smart Glass, analog triggers, achievements, download speeds, 3rd pary support, voice commands--pretty much every area except graphics (though Wii U is more powerful, there are Xbox 360 games that still look better than Wii U's best imo) and touch screen/off TV Play. 

Even in most of those areas Wii U seems a bigger leap over the Wii than PS4/Xbone are over PS3/360.



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SubiyaCryolite said:

I dont buy the small gap argument either, it will show and when it does it'll blow peoples minds. Heck it already is. People said the the same thing about the PS2 and PS3. Hell, I said that. And yet today the difference between a PS2 and a PS3 game is beyond night and day.The Wii was barely pushed above the Gamecube even with Nintendos own titles. But when you compare launch PS3 and 360 games to what they do now, and then look at the sheer raw power inside both the PS4 and X1 things wont look good at all.

NFS Rivals on PS4 is already leagues above NFS MW on U. If you look at NFS Carbon (a launch PS3 game) and Rivals on the PS3 and apply that to scale the PS4 then its going to be nothing short of a visual massacre.

Graphical improvement over PS4's lifespan will be considerably less than over the PS3's lifespan. 

PS3 was very hard to develop for, it took years to extract its full power. PS4 is simple, easy PC architecture, it will be fully exploited much more quickly.



So they are to be somehow lauded for being 6-7 years behind on visual development? That's certainly one way to spin it.



Mummelmann said:
So they are to be somehow lauded for being 6-7 years behind on visual development? That's certainly one way to spin it.


Ha! you gotta love it.



Is this guy an idiot?
He is not even making a valid point. It's just an observation with no impact whatsoever. But he calls it an "argument".



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I disagree.

Wii to Wii U is about the same as PS2 to PS3, right?

Well to me PS3 to PS4 is greater than PS2 to PS3. It'll take time to really know though. These systems just launched.