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ZabuzaXtreme on 16 December 2013

Cause Sony is awesome



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RenCutypoison on 16 December 2013
KingdomHeartsFan said:

When the PS3 launched they had everything against them and still managed to turn it around, now with the PS4 they have everything going for them there is almost no way for them not to do good this gen.


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3sexty on 16 December 2013

Compared to Nintendo Sony have much more at stake and so much more to lose. A sinking titanic is harder to salvage than a sinking sailboat. Microsoft, well that is a different story. They have so much money they don't know what to do with it. Billions upon billions. This is why in the long run Xbox One is a safer bet for remaining in tact. Sony's gaming division might ultimately end up being sold off which is sad really. I expect the company will be broken up eventually.



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superhippy420 on 16 December 2013
oniyide said:
superhippy420 said:
oniyide said:
prayformojo said:
Nintentacle said:
prayformojo said:
Nintentacle said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

When the PS3 launched they had everything against them and still managed to turn it around, now with the PS4 they have everything going for them there is almost no way for them not to do good this gen.

Even if PS4 is the fastest selling console in history, it doesn't make sense to ingore how financially unsuccessful the PS3 was and pretend it was a huge financial success because it sold 80 million. I can understand why the "journalist" do it though. Since It's mostly used in negative Nintendo articles, Nintendo fanboys will keep going back to the website to see if they put up more negative Nintendo articles. It's sort of like what YouTube trolls do to get views.


The only people who care about how "financially successful" a console is are stock holders and excuse makers. Everyone else cares about total units sold. Right or wrong, it's how this whole thing works.

What do you see on the front page of vgchartz? A graph showing which is making the most revenue? Or a graph showing which consoles sold the most units?

They have a graph showing hardware sales because It's a sales website. 


....and because that's what people actually CARE about.


not only people, but game devs and publishers as they are the ones putting games on systems and care about how much consoles are actually out their and not how much money they make


Thats a bad joke right.  Do you not see how many games now are either rooted in microtransactions, locked but on disc DLC, or just are unfinished profucts (Battlefield 4).   The number of studios/companys out there that consistantly put out quality and only have a bad one now and then is tiny.  Rockstar,Nintendo,Naughty Dog,Bethesda,2K, and even most of them have had their quality waver in recent years.  Money is everything...the end.

youve literally missed my entire point and what you said had nothing to do with what im saying. The more a console sells, more the support it will get, period. Whether that be SOny and they loose money on every console sold or whatever is not relevant as it does not effect the support it gets, which as gamers i would have thought that was the most important thing.  Your statement is best saved for another subject entirely.

3rd party support is great for gamers but when we are talking about the future of Sony, it means very little.  Sure Sony gets a small cut but the ammount of money they are losing on 1st party titles will outweigh that by alot.   The Vita is the best example of why Sonys terrible 1st party sales are going to eventually kill their company.   No one wants it because the 1st party games are all rehashes, and the 3rd party developers know their games are going to sell terribly on it anyways.  Wii U has 3rd party support from some companies (Ubisoft,Sega,Warner Bros,Activision) but the 1st party stuff alone can sell consoles.  Problem is that Nintendo released nothing for 8 months are their sales suffered big time because of it.



Rogerioandrade on 16 December 2013
Nintentacle said:

Whenever I see articles about how the Wii U is doomed, lots of the writers talk about Sony like they never loose money and are perfect. It's like they're completely ignoring how much money the PS3 lost. Does anyone here know why people do this?


Because they don´t understand what financial management, economic environment and business decisions means. Every main console maker either had financial issues last year or still couldn´t recover from previous years´ losses.

Videogame fans, with the exception of a few, really don´t care about those things



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superhippy420 on 16 December 2013
RenCutypoison said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

When the PS3 launched they had everything against them and still managed to turn it around, now with the PS4 they have everything going for them there is almost no way for them not to do good this gen.


/thread


The way for them to not do good this gen is to move 90 - 100 million consoles (which bring in no profit) and then have terrible 1st party software sales like the PS3 had.   PS3's 1st party software levels are only 20 million better then the Gamecube's, with about twice as many games.  They turned the PS3 console sales arround but then the  only games people bought were COD,FIFA, and GTA.  



torok on 16 December 2013
Nintentacle said:
torok said:
Man, you're comparing a console that sold 80m and probably will hit 100m with one that isn't looking that will beat 30m. Profit is important, but share is more if you can endure the money hit. When you lost share you lost 3rd party support, consumer mind share, retail space and so on. MS always mastered the art of pumping money in something until it worked (XBox is a case. WP is their current try).

And there was a lot of articles about Sony financials until last year, it's impossible that anyone here didn't saw it. But now it's old news, it was talked a lot, people lost interest (besides that, Kaz improved a lot the situation and attacked the bleeding TV business). Next gen now is the hot topic and comparisons between all consoles will happen. And in this point, they are hitting on the Internet favorite: doom and underperforming business. But they aren't far from truth, like they weren't about Sony's financials. Wii U is doing horribly and both PS4 and One are doing great. There is no lie in that, it's in the numbers, PS4 already passed Wii U's 2013 YTD and won't take long to pass it's lifetime sales. 8th gen home console wars is between Sony and MS now, Nintendo needs to do damage control and get their stuff right for gen 9. Handhelds is a home run for them, so that will keep them healthy.

Explain why you don't think Wii U will reach 30 million. I think it'll barely outsell the N64.


Looking at current figures, it's tracking behind the Gamecube, that reached a little more than 20m (I will use it as comparison). I think Nintendo will improve it with some key releases and price cuts (this time, the competitors are more expensive) and it can help them to, maybe, reach 30m. That's what Wii U has at its favor compared to GC. The negative points are lack of core appeal, less power, weird controller, worse online, less features, while GC had parity on all of it.



Bet with jetforcejiminy: PS4 will pass the Wii lifetime numbers.

Nsanity on 16 December 2013

Some people have a short memory.



RenCutypoison on 16 December 2013
superhippy420 said:
RenCutypoison said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

When the PS3 launched they had everything against them and still managed to turn it around, now with the PS4 they have everything going for them there is almost no way for them not to do good this gen.


/thread


The way for them to not do good this gen is to move 90 - 100 million consoles (which bring in no profit) and then have terrible 1st party software sales like the PS3 had.   PS3's 1st party software levels are only 20 million better then the Gamecube's, with about twice as many games.  They turned the PS3 console sales arround but then the  only games people bought were COD,FIFA, and GTA.  


So they failed one gen after domintaing 2. Still 66% oversuccess. And the no-profit part with the yen inflation is quite undestandable, they couldn't see it coming, nobody could.



aryu on 16 December 2013
Nintentacle said:
KingKazuma34 said:
Well because not only is the PS3 making money now, but they are already making profit off the PS4 and it has not even been a month since launch.

Today is the one month mark, actually.

Not entirely since it was released on the 29th for us in Europe.



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