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Pemalite on 16 November 2013
fatslob-:O said:

I thought AMD was counting on the developers to optimize for the GCN architecture in order to beat nvidia in the PC space.  

Well, I think they are to an extent, hence all the design wins in the consoles and Mantle as icing on the cake.
However I hope AMD never beats nVidia in the PC space in regards to marketshare, monopolies of any kind are bad, the PC is lucky in that regard, no singular multi-billion dollar for-profit company controls the entire market to drive up costs and stifle innovation.
And without the PC, you wouldn't have anyone to fund the Billions every year to support rapid GPU development, thus no PS4, PS3, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Wii U as they are today. :)



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ps4tw on 16 November 2013

Net profit theyll be down though



Conina on 16 November 2013
MohammadBadir said:
So you're telling me the PS4 costs less than the WiiU to produce....

No, nobody is telling you that.

The $296 "bill of materials" are the double of the $148 of the Wii U (only the console, without the tablet controller):

http://www.gengame.net/2013/03/cnn-estimates-the-cost-of-manufacturing-wii-u-to-be-about-228/



Proxy-Pie on 16 November 2013
Conina said:
MohammadBadir said:
So you're telling me the PS4 costs less than the WiiU to produce....

No, nobody is telling you that.

The $296 "bill of materials" are the double of the $148 of the Wii U (only the console, without the tablet controller):

http://www.gengame.net/2013/03/cnn-estimates-the-cost-of-manufacturing-wii-u-to-be-about-228/

1.how the fuck does a controller with a 10 year old screen cost 100 dollars?

2.if the WiiU in total costs 248$, why is Nintebdo selling them at a loss?



Conina on 16 November 2013
MohammadBadir said:
Conina said:
MohammadBadir said:
So you're telling me the PS4 costs less than the WiiU to produce....

No, nobody is telling you that.

The $296 "bill of materials" are the double of the $148 of the Wii U (only the console, without the tablet controller):

http://www.gengame.net/2013/03/cnn-estimates-the-cost-of-manufacturing-wii-u-to-be-about-228/

1.how the fuck does a controller with a 10 year old screen cost 100 dollars?

2.if the WiiU in total costs 248$, why is Nintebdo selling them at a loss?

1. where do you get $100 from?

2. The "bill of materials" are only a part of the total costs. You have to engineer the product & software, put the components together, box the product, ship the product, advertise the product, pay taxes for the product, let the retailer have his cut,...



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Lusche on 16 November 2013
MohammadBadir said:

1.how the fuck does a controller with a 10 year old screen cost 100 dollars?

2.if the WiiU in total costs 248$, why is Nintebdo selling them at a loss?


manufacturing and packaging.
cost for storage place.
personal costs, electrical costs, rent
cut to retailers
taxes
research and development costs
and many more I forgot

about the controller ... dunno maybe high quality parts

edit:
damn got beaten by a few seconds :p



Proxy-Pie on 16 November 2013
Conina said:
MohammadBadir said:
Conina said:
MohammadBadir said:
So you're telling me the PS4 costs less than the WiiU to produce....

No, nobody is telling you that.

The $296 "bill of materials" are the double of the $148 of the Wii U (only the console, without the tablet controller):

http://www.gengame.net/2013/03/cnn-estimates-the-cost-of-manufacturing-wii-u-to-be-about-228/

1.how the fuck does a controller with a 10 year old screen cost 100 dollars?

2.if the WiiU in total costs 248$, why is Nintebdo selling them at a loss?

1. where do you get $100 from?

2. The "bill of materials" are only a part of the total costs. You have to engineer the product & software, put the components together, box the product, ship the product, advertise the product, pay taxes for the product, let the retailer have his cut,..

So isnt the PS4 supposed to have these very same things?



Conina on 16 November 2013
MohammadBadir said:
Conina said:

2. The "bill of materials" are only a part of the total costs. You have to engineer the product & software, put the components together, box the product, ship the product, advertise the product, pay taxes for the product, let the retailer have his cut,..

So isnt the PS4 supposed to have these very same things?

Yes, between the gross profit and the operating profit is a huge gap.

The PS4 will still be sold with a small loss (or a minimal profit at best)... but it's a great enhancement compared to the PS3 situation at launch.



Ashadian on 16 November 2013
fatslob-:O said:
daredevil.shark said:

 

Source: http://www.techinsights.com/sony-playstation-4/

I highly doubt the processor costed that much. I'm thinking $180 otherwise it's specs shouldn't match the hd 7850 and I doubt the hd 7850 costs $70. 


Why? Do you have experience buying APU's????

Or are you basing this on PC component pricing????

Sony are buying at component level in  mass quantities. This isn't a DGPU they are buying but a CPU and GPU integrated. You seem to forget PC GPU is a different beast altogether as it has its own board,memory,cooler and power circuitery and too many other costs that i can't even be bothered listing!



DamnTastic on 16 November 2013
TheEspionage said:
Shinobi-san said:
Sony has already said they will be making a loss though?

Yeah they have.  It is a small loss that will be made up from buying a game so not too bad.  Much better than the PS3 launch so that is a huge plus :D

didn't they say 60$ loss?

ps+ subscription or a controller and 2 1st party games or something