I think Wii U will have a decent holiday but ur being a bit too optimistic. Its at 3.86m and the week ending Nov 2 Iit sold 80k, thats with new bundles across all three major territories. We have Japan numbers for this week and it dropped from 40k to sub 20k, its possible NA+Europe is up this week but best case scenario it sold 100k week ending Nov 9. The following week likely wont see much of a boost but ill be generous and say it sells 140k week ending Nov 16 putting it at 4.1m, thats still 3.9m in the final 7 weeks of the year and the final week will see a big drop from being post christmas so lets say 300k meaning it would still need 3.6m from the week of 3D World-Christmas or 600k per week. The first 2 weeks of Dec will be much less than the other 4 weeks so lets say 300k each. 3D World week, Black friday week, week before Christmas and week of Christmas would each need to be about 750k.

Ah, the good old third parties will swarm to Nintendo, just wait. Like they did with the 7th gen market leader, right?

Yes, the Wii U is cheaper, 100$ less for a technically inferior console with poor or even non-existant 3rd party multiplats and a controller that has failed to appeal to either the casual or core crowd, inferior online service and connectivity (these are important selling points for consoles today, even though I don't care about them). Basically, the Wii U has started where the Wii left off; no momentum and no concieveable way to regain it, the Wii started dropping due to lack of support, ancient tech, poor online, poor press and mediocre reviews appearing (as well as the casual userbase stampeeding towards phones and tablets and browser/social games), the Wii U started with all this and also lacks the Wii's main strength; basic appeal. I don't understand where people get this notion that casuals are somehow sitting on the fence, waiting for Nintendo to release that one title or that one bundle or waiting for further price cuts, this is not how the casual customer base works. Major hits within casual markets take off right away and the word spreads and keeps it going, and then it ends abruptly, the Wii U was never going to achieve this due to it's schizophrenic design. Casuals don't spend their days on forums and gaming news sites like us, they don't even know which games are releasing when or which bundles are coming up, not do they hear of price cuts and "hold off" their pucshase waiting for them, it's simply not how it works and it's funny that you're trying to teach me how sales work, with this in mind.

Meanwhile, the core gamers have four competitors to choose from, two of which are still moving, a lot more than the Wii U even, and two that are going to gain a massive and varied games library, filled to the brim with 3rd party fare and a slew of tempting online features and deals, in addition to the obvious advantage in tech, this is actually a big selling point in the core market. Sales of games such as Ghosts show us that this particular demographic either doesn't own a Wii U, or have more than one console and choose to purchase it for another one. Even if the Wii U is more powerful than the PS360, core customers still choose this version, that speaks of a huge lack of appeal in the Wii U as a product.

My "average" sales weeks for analysis are into the holiday season, post-price cut where even the aging PS360 have gained significant boosts, the Wii U is selling less than 1/3 of the PS3 weekly, even after the price cut and with an early holiday boost and the PS4 just sold 1 million units in a single day, there is obviously a market there with a likely base of over 1.5 million people worldwide pruchasing a PS or xbox home console this week, why are so few people buying a Wii U? People blame the games but like I showed you, the 360 and PS3 did just fine with only shit software and ludicrous prices for quite some time, this despite competing with the record-breaking Wii.

So, the price is low, games did not hinder the PS3 and 360 and both the aging consoles and new releases are set to destroy the Wii U in sales for the holidays, what does that tell you? The Wii U, as a product, lacks basic appeal, I've been saying this since the first time it was unveiled, the numbers reflect this. What are you going to say when the Wii U dives right back into obscurity after new year's? What excuse will you come up with then? Or will you keep on saying; "just wait and see"?

You seem to blame everything in the world except Nintendo themselves in this and I see a lot of others doing the same.

The Wii U was poorly planned, stressed and rushed by a Nintendo which are facing losses on each unit sold, in the wake of a 3DS that lost them some cash initially and it took over for a trademark that had lost all relevance and momentum, they still lack any kind of meaningful 3rd support, with even less forthcoming seeing as how they fail to sell what they're given, they have no more room for leverage with pricing without bleeding. In addition, they're facing four main competitors this holiday, that leaves only a tiny sliver of a market to be had, the market simply will not accomodate five high selling home consoles at once, so the Wii U needs to eat out of the sales of others in order to move. There is no indication that the PS3 and 360 will suddenly become irrelevant overnight due to one Nintendo heavy hitter releasing and there is certainly data to back a fairly large demand for the last two 8th gen contenders.

There is nothing to suggest that the Wii U will be up yoy, or that it will do very well, all factors count against it, how on earth can you not see this?! 4.1 million units sold in 7 weeks just isn't going to happen. I hate to use such terms but I would call it downright delusional. It's okay to root for something or someone but, please, use a semblance of reason when doing so.

I have bookmarked this thread for future reference, we will both wait and see and I predict that one of us will be majorly disappointed. Furthermore, I predict that it won't be me.

Well we'll have to wait and see. ;o)

I agree the wii u is not doomed. Unless it catches on with the casual base again its gonna be a slow ride for nintendo. I think it will eventually become allot of peoples second console but its going to take a while for that to happen. At least another year,so there will continue to be bad numbers and bad press but in the end i think they will sale plenty to make a good profit. 50 million or so at least. Thats not a bad place to be at all. Nintendo just needs to embrace it. Sure keep going after the casual crowd and keep making the best rated games in the biz and keep improveing the wii u. Nintendo will be ok

Why is the Wii U selling more then 1 million a week and the 3DS selling 500,000 a week, while the PS4 can only sell 400,000 a week?

Lol! I'm laughing now, reading this reply and this thread (with many replies saying "wait for this game and wait for that game and then we'll see what happens") in 2016 and the Wii U has only sold 12 million consoles, almost 4 years after launch and is getting destroyed by Xbox One and PS4 despite a 1 year headstart. I never thought the Wii U would be a success. The Wii U will never even outsell the Gamecube. I think the Wii U is most likely the worst console ever made, it's selling at a loss, has almost zero third party support and has very few new franchises or console sellers, so that's obvious and there's many reasons for that, so I won't even explain further why. I think selling so few consoles was deserved, Nintendo never gave anyone a reason to buy their console and I'm not buying a Wii U just to play Zelda or Mario, only those 12 million people would do that. Becoming a third party publisher would be a much better solution for them, if they can't cater to the masses like their competitors do.

God I hate when people necropost... hindsight is 20/20...

Didn't we just have a thread posted by mods saying necro-bumping is highly illegal on the chartz xD

This is the nail in the coffin for you, Nail.

Why people necro threads and gloat in them I'll never know.