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fatslob-:O on 03 November 2013
Ponyless said:
fatslob-:O said:
Ponyless said:
fatslob-:O said:
If sales did not equate to quality then I guess the Wii was an awful system while the virtual boy was the best thing since buttered toast LOL. I guess mario games are less than everything. (It's like malstrom said, people who do not use the business gavel so they will fail to get why something is successful in the first place.) Like it or not sales DOES equate to quality otherwise some publisher would stop funding it. That is why call of duty remains as the top franchise this generation compared to everything else. Call of duty is gold while conduit remains in brown stain.

 

What a massive straw man of a post you just made.

Nothing was exactly strawman. You just proved malstrom even further as to why gamers do not talk about game business. If anything the people with gaming stigma just proves malstroms point how overly infatuated they are with the idea of quality instead of actually looking at the real numbers.

It was a strawman. Curl-6 argued that sales do not equal quality. Instead of you offering anything against, that you took it as him arguing that higher sales= lower quality. He never argued that but you took it as that since you have no idea how to argue against his real point. Also that entire second sentence is completely irrelevant because i don't care for which is right, i just noticed you made a dumb remark and i wanted to point it out. Also are you gonna try to shit up this topic like you did with the "ask a dev anything" thread?

Apparently your not reading again. I never once argued that. I argued that a game with higher sales is better. Your lack of reading comprehension is showing. *Facepalm*

The real question here is are you going to shit on some over the internet ? 

Gee I wonder what's dumb about that remark ? I guess all 28 million people who purchased wii play lied to themselves LMAO. /extreme sarcasm



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Ponyless on 03 November 2013
fatslob-:O said:
Ponyless said:
It was a strawman. Curl-6 argued that sales do not equal quality. Instead of you offering anything against, that you took it as him arguing that higher sales= lower quality. He never argued that but you took it as that since you have no idea how to argue against his real point. Also that entire second sentence is completely irrelevant because i don't care for which is right, i just noticed you made a dumb remark and i wanted to point it out. Also are you gonna try to shit up this topic like you did with the "ask a dev anything" thread?

Apparently your not reading again. I never once argued that. I argued that a game with higher sales is better. Your lack of reading comprehension is showing. *Facepalm*

The real question here is are you going to shit on some over the internet ? 

Gee I wonder what's dumb about that remark ? I guess all 28 million people who purchased wii play lied to themselves LMAO. /extreme sarcasm

If sales did not equate to quality then I guess the Wii was an awful system while the virtual boy was the best thing since buttered toast LOL.

That's exactly what you did, trying to warp curl-6 points that higher sales= lower quality. Think whatever you think, seeing as how you derail every thread you're in, it's a waste trying to talk to you. (Remember, this was a battlefield 4 review and you changed it to a sales=quality thread)



curl-6 on 03 November 2013
fatslob-:O said:
curl-6 said:
fatslob-:O said:

It just means that their better.

It's as simple as that. 

Some of us like to think for ourselves instead of accepting popularity as gospel truth.

I know we all have different crowds and all but to say that something popular has no quality is absolutely ridiculous when in fact it's the very opposite. People here really hate those numbers LOL.

Reality isn't a democracy, popularity does not transform opinions into fact.



fatslob-:O on 03 November 2013
Ponyless said:
fatslob-:O said:
Ponyless said:
It was a strawman. Curl-6 argued that sales do not equal quality. Instead of you offering anything against, that you took it as him arguing that higher sales= lower quality. He never argued that but you took it as that since you have no idea how to argue against his real point. Also that entire second sentence is completely irrelevant because i don't care for which is right, i just noticed you made a dumb remark and i wanted to point it out. Also are you gonna try to shit up this topic like you did with the "ask a dev anything" thread?

Apparently your not reading again. I never once argued that. I argued that a game with higher sales is better. Your lack of reading comprehension is showing. *Facepalm*

The real question here is are you going to shit on some over the internet ? 

Gee I wonder what's dumb about that remark ? I guess all 28 million people who purchased wii play lied to themselves LMAO. /extreme sarcasm

If sales did not equate to quality then I guess the Wii was an awful system while the virtual boy was the best thing since buttered toast LOL.

That's exactly what you did, trying to warp curl-6 points that higher sales= lower quality. Think whatever you think, seeing as how you derail every thread you're in, it's a waste trying to talk to you. (Remember, this was a battlefield 4 review and you changed it to a sales=quality thread)

That was an example. he argued sales =/= quality and I did the opposite. Your over analyzing something that's supposed to be pretty trivial in comparison to actual point at hand. LOL you take this internet shit too seriously. If derailment means more entertainment I'm in, you can have more boring threads. 



fatslob-:O on 03 November 2013
curl-6 said:
fatslob-:O said:
curl-6 said:
fatslob-:O said:

It just means that their better.

It's as simple as that. 

Some of us like to think for ourselves instead of accepting popularity as gospel truth.

I know we all have different crowds and all but to say that something popular has no quality is absolutely ridiculous when in fact it's the very opposite. People here really hate those numbers LOL.

Reality isn't a democracy, popularity does not transform opinions into fact.

Your right LOL. It's capitalism that dominates and what better way to show that is consumers supporting the product. 



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fatslob-:O on 03 November 2013

@OT I'm not surprised at all. People play battlefield for it's multiplayer. Atleast the online is COD quality.



curl-6 on 03 November 2013
fatslob-:O said:

Your right LOL. It's capitalism that dominates and what better way to show that is consumers supporting the product. 

Quality is subjective opinion, commercial success doesn't make a game any better to those for whom it does not represent quality.



Mr Puggsly on 03 November 2013
KylieDog said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Areym said:
Well , yeah. BF is all about multiplayer apparently. You would think people would have caught up by now.

This is such a stupid argument. If EA is gonna market the campagn, maybe they deliver a half decent campaign.

CoD is about the multiplayer as well. Yet year after year they make a solid campaign.


No they don't...

Thanks for the useless response. You're a great contributor to this forum.



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fatslob-:O on 03 November 2013
curl-6 said:
fatslob-:O said:

Your right LOL. It's capitalism that dominates and what better way to show that is consumers supporting the product. 

Quality is subjective opinion, commercial success doesn't make a game any better to those for whom it does not represent quality.

I say that quality CAN be be defined quantitatively. Just because some else may not think it's good doesn't exactly mean that it has less quality. If there are more gamers buying a piece of software then it is that piece of software that has the greatest value for alot of people. Quality in this case means the better value as mass consumers see it. Just because I don't like bethesda games doesn't mean that I will discount everyone elses value of the experience. Even though JRPGs have been dissapointing, (Which is one of my favourite genres.) I realize that bethesda games have more qualities due to consumer support. If people value a product more it's honestly that simple that more people see quality in the title. Just because hardcore gamers keep shouting that wii sports sucks doesn't devalue my thoughts on it because in the real world their opinions are mostly irrelevant. (Just like how some people say that the ps vita is a better system. In the real world it doesn't match with the fact that the 3DS has better games, period.) 



bazmeistergen on 03 November 2013

It was a strawman.

There's no point arguing that sales can mean quality when Curl never said that they couldn't. He only said they were not equivalent. They aren't. One is subjective, the other objective. After all, many people buy things they later decide is rubbish.

Seems pretty straightforward.



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