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badgenome said:
Kasz216 said:

You are missing the more obvious point though.

Most people won't buy a system for 1 game.

 

Software drives hardware sales, which drives other games software sales.  They both feed into each other.  It's not either or.

That's more true for lesser games. Niche JRPGs drive other niche JRPGs, for example. Or Final Fantasy VII driving the proliferation of JRPGs on the PS1.

But Monster Hunter is one of the few true system sellers around, and it would be hard to argue that the 3DS is more geared towards the hunting action genre either in terms of form factor or software library than the Vita.

For a portion of the gamebase it might draw sales, i think it's hard to argue it'd do so for a majority though.

As for hunting action genre.... again, that's oversimplistic thinking.

How many people do you know that only like one genre of game?  A vast minority, right?

Buying systems and platforms are complex situations, that's why console makers can fuck up so badly and it tends to be hard to pick which console will win, even when you pretty much know what each platfrom provider will provide.

 

It's more akin to renting an apartment then buying a single item.  You've got a  complex number of issues to make when you decide to buy a system.



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Kasz216 said:

As for hunting action genre.... again, that's oversimplistic thinking.

How many people do you know that only like one genre of game?  A vast minority, right?

We're talking about a specific series that has shown very steady sales despite a platform change. So whatever fans it might have lost (and I doubt it lost many) from the jump to Nintendo, it made up for with new fans. It hasn't brought a whole new audience to the franchise or shown some kind of tremendous growth. It's being bought by largely the same people who bought it on the PSP.

So what is the argument that it would have performed markedly worse if it had been released on the Vita instead? "Because the Vita is selling so poorly" seems to be it, but that is overly simplistic thinking. The Vita is largely fucked because it lost the PSP's biggest franchise, but the PSP's biggest franchise wouldn't have been fucked if it had actually shown up on the Vita.



badgenome said:
Talal said:
I personally don't think it could have sold as much on Vita than on 3DS. It would have been huge and it would have helped the Vita a lot, but it wouldn't have been this big.

Okay, but why? What is it about the 3DS that makes it prime territory for Monster Hunter? System price? Because there are simply more units in the wild? Or because Mario and Animal Crossing fans are natural Monster Hunter players?

I could understand this idea if the jump to the 3DS had resulted in Nintendo-like uber sales, but unless that happens through legs, it didn't. It doesn't even seem to have beaten MHP3's opening, or I think Capcom would have said so.


A combination of multiple reasons. In this case, I think that user base is very relevant. If the Vita had sold something like 5 million in Japan already it wouldn't have been as much of a factor, but it's less than 2 million in Japan right now. MH being on the Vita would have helped it sell a bit more due to the fact that people know that MH will be releasing on it, but even if it had 3 million at this point it wouldn't be very sensible to predict that 2 million of those 3 million Vita owners would buy MH on the first week. The PSP was already quite strong in Japan when MH released the Vita isn't.



Sony should have made this a VITA title, god Eater 2 my ass, monster Hunter is the real system seller the Vita needed.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

Talal said:

The PSP was already quite strong in Japan when MH released the Vita isn't.

This is true, but Monster Hunter also wasn't MONSTER HUNTER!!!!!!! at that point. It was a moderately successful PS2 game that exploded when it moved to handhelds.

So while Monster Hunter circa 2005 couldn't have become the beast that it is today on a system like the Vita, I think a known quantity like Monster Hunter circa 2013 could sell Monster Hunter numbers on just about anything portable.



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RolStoppable said:

It's pretty much the same argument as for why MH would perform worse on a Nintendo handheld than a Sony handheld.

And what is the argument for that?



We endured months of "would have been better on Vita", "it will bomb on 3DS" and "it looks much worse than the PSP version", so get over it already.



*Opens VGChartz*

*sees thread*

Ugh. Well that's a troll war waiting to happen. I'll hafta edit the title and OP so we can at least focus on the main point here: the actual game's sales and not hardware it doesn't even appear on. This forum... *shakes head*

*sees that BadGenome made it and it's not unequivocal troll bait*

Oh... well, color me surprised. Carry on!



badgenome said:
Talal said:

The PSP was already quite strong in Japan when MH released the Vita isn't.

This is true, but Monster Hunter also wasn't MONSTER HUNTER!!!!!!! at that point. It was a moderately successful PS2 game that exploded when it moved to handhelds.

So while Monster Hunter circa 2005 couldn't have become the beast that it is today on a system like the Vita, I think a known quantity like Monster Hunter circa 2013 could sell Monster Hunter numbers on just about anything portable.


You may be right, but I feel like you're overestimating the power of MH. 



Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:
the_dengle said:

That said, I don't think MH would have sold quite as well on the Vita. The MH faithful would have bought one, but it clearly has a larger market to attract on the 3DS.

I do think you can find that, sometimes, a game's target audience is resistant to buying a certain platform or a particular console's user base is more receptive to certain games. Certainly JRPGs didn't move the needle much for the 360, and there have been late Wii->PS3 ports that sold better than the original releases despite the much smaller user base.

You are missing the more obvious point though.

Most people won't buy a system for 1 game.


Software drives hardware sales, which drives other games software sales.  They both feed into each other.  It's not either or.


I agree.  But there are gamers that buy a system for THE GAME with other lesser games to back up the purchase.  Vita has lots of good games but it still doesn't have that heavy hitter.