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Forums - General Discussion - God doesn't prevent terrible things because?

 

Please choose wisely....

A. He can't 24 6.96%
 
B. He doesn't want to 86 24.93%
 
C. He causes them 22 6.38%
 
D. He doesn't exist. 213 61.74%
 
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Licence on 21 August 2013
Kyuu said:
Licence said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JWeinCom said:
A) The god in the old testament is not portrayed as being omniscient and omnipresent as people conceive him to be now. Take for instance the story of Cain and Abel. After Abel is killed God asks him what happened indicating that he did not know. There are lots of other examples that show stuff like that.


I think thats a test, not really that he didn't know. You know kind of like how your girlfriend asks you a question when she knows the answer, but she really just wants to hear you say what shes hoping you'll say. 


If God was omniscient he would not need to do a test - he would know how the test goes beforehand!


If god was omniscient, you wouldn't know how his intellect and reasoning work.

Not necessarily true. Omniscience has an exact definition - knowing all things. This makes no preclusions on whether his intellect or reasoning is understandable (or not).



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Licence on 21 August 2013

Free Will. It's about the idea of faith and trust. If God is oniscient then he could know all possibilities of the future just not which future it is (if he knew what Cain would say then there is only one future and therefore Free Will is an illusion/lie).


Omniscience means exactly that - knowing all, including what Cain would say. If free will makes omniscience impossible then we can't go around saying God is omniscient. 



The Fury on 21 August 2013
Licence said:

Free Will. It's about the idea of faith and trust. If God is oniscient then he could know all possibilities of the future just not which future it is (if he knew what Cain would say then there is only one future and therefore Free Will is an illusion/lie).

Omniscience means exactly that - knowing all, including what Cain would say. If free will makes omniscience impossible then we can't go around saying God is omniscient. 

I never said it God didn't know, he knows all possible outcomes of the conversation just not which one of those possibilties Cain will make with his Free Will (God knows all). If God knows only 1 possible outcome then Free Will is a lie and no one needs to do anything thinking they are doing it from their choice, because it's already been predetermined for us.



Hmm, pie.

tiffac on 21 August 2013

Yes, lets question something that we do not believe that is real.



chapset on 21 August 2013

He is busy helping Tim Teabow



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dsgrue3 on 21 August 2013

God is mysterious. That's the right answer, right?

How could we lowly homo sapien sapiens, 98.8% identical DNA to chimpanzees, possibly understand the *mind* of god? Mind being suggestive of a space-less, matter-less brain. (lol)



GameAnalyser on 21 August 2013

I simply watch Ancient aliens on History channel...as an agnostic nothing more than it satisfies me.



dsgrue3 on 21 August 2013
The Fury said:
Licence said:

Free Will. It's about the idea of faith and trust. If God is oniscient then he could know all possibilities of the future just not which future it is (if he knew what Cain would say then there is only one future and therefore Free Will is an illusion/lie).

Omniscience means exactly that - knowing all, including what Cain would say. If free will makes omniscience impossible then we can't go around saying God is omniscient. 

I never said it God didn't know, he knows all possible outcomes of the conversation just not which one of those possibilties Cain will make with his Free Will (God knows all). If God knows only 1 possible outcome then Free Will is a lie and no one needs to do anything thinking they are doing it from their choice, because it's already been predetermined for us.

Except omniscience implies foreknowledge...thus negating your entire argument.



Licence on 21 August 2013
I never said it God didn't know, he knows all possible outcomes of the conversation just not which one of those possibilties Cain will make with his Free Will (God knows all). If God knows only 1 possible outcome then Free Will is a lie and no one needs to do anything thinking they are doing it from their choice, because it's already been predetermined for us.


If God does not know which possibility Cain will make, there is something he does not know. Hence, he is not omniscient.



attaboy on 21 August 2013

He does. Every other planet in the galaxy wants to destroy earth because of jealousy over our hot earth women. God wiped all of those planets clean.

Fact.