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gum said:

Each time Iwata says something I think everyone should shut up, listen and learn because this guy has proven that he understands this industry much better than anyone else.

When I read posts like that I 'm certain that he is right again for not trying to listen to people like you who are just searching for excuses to not purchase a console. Asking for a 200 euros WiiU is ridiculous no matter how you look at it. Just say that you are not interested at all by this console for wathever reason no matter what the price will be. Also PS4 will be at least 100 euros more expansive than WiiU not 50 like you seem to imply.


I agree, he has been with Nintendo through hell and high water for so many times, they won the last gen with DS and Wii and have this gen handheld sales LOCKED for a victory.  So, Mr. Iwata is no idiot, he know his stuff.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

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Incorrect analysis. Current WiiU purchasers see enough value on the system to get the superior model, but some other people (inlcuding myself) might as well think that the basic model is overpriced (and thus the premium).

Actually, both parameters must be corrected if WiiU wants to take off. I needs more games and above all a greater variety of games, but there aren't enough games coming to make consumer value match the current price. So, the price needs to be dropped as soon as games with hardware-moving potential start to appear. Of course, dropping the price in the middle of a software drought is the worst thing to do, since no one will invest any sum when there are no games.



I bought the basic model simply simply because it was $100 cheaper for me on launch due to a special and I couldn't see how a stand, an extra 24GB of memory space and a pack in title i'd never play, would justify the extra cost.

Price always matters. I heard the Walmarts that had basic models for $150CDN ran out of stock damn quickly.

As for the 'main issue', that will be alleviated once DKCR2, Sonic and Mario World come out.



Quoting isn't working for me :/ Stupid German PC :P

gum said:
Each time Iwata says something I think everyone should shut up, listen and learn because this guy has proven that he understands this industry much better than anyone else.

When I read posts like that I 'm certain that he is right again for not trying to listen to people like you who are just searching for excuses to not purchase a console. Asking for a 200 euros WiiU is ridiculous no matter how you look at it. Just say that you are not interested at all by this console for wathever reason no matter what the price will be. Also PS4 will be at least 100 euros more expansive than WiiU not 50 like you seem to imply.






If he says anything remotely close to insightful or interesting, I listen, but him saying Wii U lacks software really doesn't take my breath away. Also him saying that the price isn't a problem because deluxe sells better than basic is as naive as it can get.

Stop unloading your frustration on me. You don't know me, I'm not searching for any excuses, I'm searching for reasons to buy a Wii U and can't find any. If you took the effort of taking a look at my sig, you'd see I'm not exactly a Nintendo hater or somebody who ignores their consoles "for whatever reason no matter what the price will be". I'm a customer and I'm the one who decides how much a given product is really worth. To me, Wii U isn't worth more than 200 Euro and I'm not going to pay more for it. It's not ridiculous, the brutal reality is that this is pretty much the value of the console for somebody who is just a gamer and not a dedicated Nintendo fan, especially if you're looking forward and considering the competition. Also, that's more than what I've paid for my 320 GB PS3, which has a lot more value. I'd like you to share with me how exactly a 400 Euro console is at least 100 Euro more expensive than a 350 Euro console, cause it's really intriguing.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

Scisca said:
Quoting isn't working for me :/ Stupid German PC :P

gum said:
Each time Iwata says something I think everyone should shut up, listen and learn because this guy has proven that he understands this industry much better than anyone else.

When I read posts like that I 'm certain that he is right again for not trying to listen to people like you who are just searching for excuses to not purchase a console. Asking for a 200 euros WiiU is ridiculous no matter how you look at it. Just say that you are not interested at all by this console for wathever reason no matter what the price will be. Also PS4 will be at least 100 euros more expansive than WiiU not 50 like you seem to imply.






If he says anything remotely close to insightful or interesting, I listen, but him saying Wii U lacks software really doesn't take my breath away. Also him saying that the price isn't a problem because deluxe sells better than basic is as naive as it can get.

Stop unloading your frustration on me. You don't know me, I'm not searching for any excuses, I'm searching for reasons to buy a Wii U and can't find any. If you took the effort of taking a look at my sig, you'd see I'm not exactly a Nintendo hater or somebody who ignores their consoles "for whatever reason no matter what the price will be". I'm a customer and I'm the one who decides how much a given product is really worth. To me, Wii U isn't worth more than 200 Euro and I'm not going to pay more for it. It's not ridiculous, the brutal reality is that this is pretty much the value of the console for somebody who is just a gamer and not a dedicated Nintendo fan, especially if you're looking forward and considering the competition. Also, that's more than what I've paid for my 320 GB PS3, which has a lot more value. I'd like you to share with me how exactly a 400 Euro console is at least 100 Euro more expensive than a 350 Euro console, cause it's really intriguing.

You seem to equal value with power which is a huge mistake when talking about this market: Wii was sold at a much higher price than it desserved from a technical point of view and still sold amazingly well. Vita nowadays is a very powerful handheld for a small price yet it doesn't sell well at all. This proves that games and only games represent the real value of a system not its components at all. So saying the WiiU is overpriced based on how poweful it is is a pointless opinion and yes I think that Iwata proves again that he knows better than that.

"I'd like you to share with me how exactly a 400 Euro console is at least 100 Euro more expensive than a 350 Euro console, cause it's really intriguing."

The WiiU is 350 with a game while PS4 more certainly will be 400 without any so 450 at best with a game. It's incredible that so many people like you can make such a flawed statement. It's easy to ask for a price drop when you add already 50 euros to the actual price.



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Quoting still broken :/

gum:
You seem to equal value with power which is a huge mistake when talking about this market: Wii was sold at a much higher price than it desserved from a technical point of view and still sold amazingly well. Vita nowadays is a very powerful handheld for a small price yet it doesn't sell well at all. So saying the WiiU is overpriced based on how poweful it is is pointless opinion and yes I think that Iwata proves again that he knows better than that.

"I'd like you to share with me how exactly a 400 Euro console is at least 100 Euro more expensive than a 350 Euro console, cause it's really intriguing."

The WiiU is 350 with a game while PS4 more certainly will be 400 without any so 450 at best with a game. It's incredible how many people still think that the PS4 will be only 50 euros more expensive than the WiiU.





No I don't, otherwise I wouldn't say that my PS3 represents higher value than a more powerful Wii U. I know that value doesn't equal power, I own a Wii and DSi, the Wii being my first current gen console and never having bought a PSP. The Wii U is the most powerful console on the market, yet, sadly, it currently has a lower value than a PS3 or X360. Lack of 3rd party support will shortly cause it to have a lower value than PS4 and XO, so Nintendo just can't justify a price nearly on par with a PS4. A console meant only for Nintendo exclusives (that's what a N console is for me) isn't worth more than 200 Euro to me, though 250 would probably be a sensible price for the average customer.

Sony gives me DriveClub for free, so again - 50 Euro.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

Scisca said:
Quoting still broken :/

gum:
You seem to equal value with power which is a huge mistake when talking about this market: Wii was sold at a much higher price than it desserved from a technical point of view and still sold amazingly well. Vita nowadays is a very powerful handheld for a small price yet it doesn't sell well at all. So saying the WiiU is overpriced based on how poweful it is is pointless opinion and yes I think that Iwata proves again that he knows better than that.

"I'd like you to share with me how exactly a 400 Euro console is at least 100 Euro more expensive than a 350 Euro console, cause it's really intriguing."

The WiiU is 350 with a game while PS4 more certainly will be 400 without any so 450 at best with a game. It's incredible how many people still think that the PS4 will be only 50 euros more expensive than the WiiU.





No I don't, otherwise I wouldn't say that my PS3 represents higher value than a more powerful Wii U. I know that value doesn't equal power, I own a Wii and DSi, the Wii being my first current gen console and never having bought a PSP. The Wii U is the most powerful console on the market, yet, sadly, it currently has a lower value than a PS3 or X360. Lack of 3rd party support will shortly cause it to have a lower value than PS4 and XO, so Nintendo just can't justify a price nearly on par with a PS4. A console meant only for Nintendo exclusives (that's what a N console is for me) isn't worth more than 200 Euro to me, though 250 would probably be a sensible price for the average customer.

Sony gives me DriveClub for free, so again - 50 Euro.


Isn't Drive Club part of the PS+? If so it's not free at all.

Also you think the WiiU is too expensive at 300 euros but you have no problem with the PS4 at 400? How can you explain that if it is not because you are basing your opinion on power as WiiU will certainly have a much better line up when PS4 launch thanks to its already released games?



Gamerace said:
IF the lack of software is a chronic problem for their hardware then it's long past time Nintendo invested in more studios or focused on only a home or portable system since they are clearly incapable of sufficiently supporting both adequately.

If they know lack of software is going to hinder hardware sales (which then hinders software sales) why don't they actually do something the (expletive) about it? More than a temporary influx of games like WiiU is getting.

They are finally doing it, but it still takes time. Big new building for EAD in Kyoto, from what Google maps can show, but that won't come online until 2014, so fruits from that expansion will not come to bear until the last year or two of the Wii U's lifecycle.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Nintendo has to weigh its two options here.

Unlike 3DS which went from profitable to loss leading upon an $80 price drop, the WiiU, if cut this year, would be going from loss leading to very loss leading with only the benefit of probably a $50 cut.

Or, wait until next year (March or April) to drop the price. This would mean, first, their fiscal year would be safe from heavy losses; second, the console would be profitable by then so they could drop more than just $50; and third, the price drop would coincide with the release of Mario Kart 8.

Seeing as how this holiday they only have competition from PS360 (since the new consoles are likely going to sell out completely no matter what Nintendo does), I suspect that they'll ride the success of their new software plus the holiday season rather than cut this year.




famousringo said:
RolStoppable said:
Gamerace said:
IF the lack of software is a chronic problem for their hardware then it's long past time Nintendo invested in more studios or focused on only a home or portable system since they are clearly incapable of sufficiently supporting both adequately.

If they know lack of software is going to hinder hardware sales (which then hinders software sales) why don't they actually do something the (expletive) about it? More than a temporary influx of games like WiiU is getting.

They did things to do something about it, it's just that those measures have fallen flat, because they always revolve around getting third parties on board. Since the industry keeps shouting that you need third parties to be successful and because Iwata is a nice man, that's what Nintendo has been trying to accomplish. Investing in more first party development capacity would have gone against the narrative, because it's said that first party software hinders third party software sales.


Furthermore, Nintendo has been engaging third party developers as a publisher to get more development on their platform, but has run into problems with the games being mediocre quality (Fatal Frame) or limited appeal outside Japan (Zangeki no Reginlev), sometimes even when the game is a long standing Nintendo IP (Metroid: Other M).

This is a strategy that Nintendo continues to use today with Platinum, but they can't just expand it to infinity. Eventually, even Nintendo runs out of talented game designers to oversee these external projects, and now they're fighting against the rising costs and slowdowns of HD development.

It's not an easy problem to solve, and Nintendo is right to be cautious about growing their development too aggressively.

Y'know I hear all this and I agree to a limited degree.  I also acknowledge Nintendo did buy Monolith and has been working with 2nd parties (but that's nothing new) but on the flip side, they sold Rare (long time ago now) and did not replace that lost productivity.   A LOT of 3rd party developers went under this gen which Nintendo could have snapped up cheap including Factor Five.    Simply put, Nintendo's knew lack of development resources has been an issue for a long time yet continues to do little about it, while they continue to bleed because of it (DS launch drought, GC droughts, Wii droughts, 3DS launch drought issues/price cut, now WiiU HUGE mother of all droughts, 'we didn't know HD was sooo hard' and possible price cut?).

Yes Nintendo is looking to be alive 100 years from now and moves according to that long term plan so they aren't doing EA's stick of buying, raping, killing developers which is great, but what they are doing isn't working too well either.    Some smart purchases would work wonders both short and long term.