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oniyide on 27 June 2013
Aielyn said:
oniyide said:
so metacritic is legit now? Ok ill be sure to remember that when the reviews for something come in that you dont agree with.

FPSs I see your point, but how is that so different than say...Just Dance? The meta for those games are not that better. and that game is about as mainstream as you can get. Unless metacritic doesnt apply to that.

Metacritic is a good metric for how the videogame community and the videogame media are reacting to games. It is not a measure of true quality, but it's a measure of quality in the eyes of that particular community. And that particular community judges NMH to be the superior title. And I'm sure that that community also judges Just Dance much lower than the mainstream would assert it deserves.

Personally, I've never played Haze, and while I played NMH, I did so on the Wii. So I have no personal opinion on the quality of either title on the PS3.

For you see, I am not one who appeals to the argument that there is a singular metric of "quality". What I am is a person who feels that each community will judge games for themselves. I think there are some superlative examples of games, games that mostly (or nearly) get unanimous praise from all (not just a particular community), and some that are clearly poor, and that the rest are entirely subjective. And so, I choose a metric for each title that is appropriate to that title. Both Haze and NMH are games designed to appeal to the so-called 'hardcore gamer'. As such, I use the metric most easily applied for that community - metacritic.


fair enough



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NoirSon on 27 June 2013
oniyide said:
RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:
RolStoppable said:

Improved Wiimote/Nunchuk, yes.

It's a pretty useless console as it is. I don't use the Gamepad for NSMBU and NSLU, I won't use it for Pikmin 3, DKC:TF and SM3DW. So the main benefit of the Wii U is better graphics which is as underwhelming as it can get. All those games might as well have been on the Wii, that way I wouldn't need to own a rubbish console that can't download and install things at the same time.

doesnt it use the wiimote+ which was improved? Should they have made an even newer one?

Its interesting that you bought the console anyway, despite how rubbish it is.

The Wii U supports the original Wiimote as well as the Wiimote+.

The obvious improvement over the current setup would be the removal of the Nunchuk cord and much better motion sensing in the Nunchuk part. I am not in favor of adding an analog stick onto the Wiimote or adding a touch screen (suggestions that have been made by others), because it would overcomplicate things. What I think would be a good adjustment is the replacement of the 1 and 2 buttons with four buttons arranged in the common diamond shape which would benefit games that are played with the Wiimote held sideways while not getting in the way of games that are played one-handed or with the Wiimote/Nunchuk setup. Plus even better motion sensing than in the Wiimote+, yes.

Such a hypothetical Wii successor would also support the original Wiimote and the Wiimote+ as long as the games don't require the capabilities of the new and improved Wiimote/Nunchuk. So just like the actual Wii U does with the original Wiimote; it can be used as long as a game doesn't require Motion Plus.

As for why I bought the Wii U, it's still going to be the only place to play the best games of the eighth generation, despite how rubbish the system is.

yeah that nunchuck could use better motion sensing, but I have to wonder what games would really benefit from that? I cant picture too much genres that would be really benefit from even MORE better motion sensing, but fair enough, one could argue the same about the gamepad itself.

Aside from making the nunchuck better at motion control, I'd have like to see if there would be a way to cut the nunchuk cord or make it optional. A cordless nunchuck on par with the Wiimote+ or a normal Wii remote could make for motion options similar to those of the kinetic, offering more gameplay options for potential Wii sports or Fit style games. Heck, they could have built a new nunchuk with the intention of it ultimately being used as a stand alone standard controller rather then reusing the Wii's. Gamers are used to buying new accessories with a new system, why Nintendo did see it necessary to not provide new ones that can be purchase is one of the reasons people are hesistant about the system and refuse to consider it Next Generation.

It is not just the power of the system, Nintendo seems to have chosen almost every other major decision concerning the Wii U which makes their system seem like it was meant for the previous console generation (or just the company being cheap) rather then the start of a new one.



Cobretti2 on 27 June 2013

I agree that the majority of wii owners have no clue about what the Wii U is. Even knowledgeable ones have no idea the Wii U is out lol. One of my mates come over last week and was like when did u get a black wii, im like its a wii u. He was like what is that. I said Nintendo's next gen console he said oh...

I think they shoudl ave called it Wii 2 as well

or Wii2U

so the console can be used by all (we) to just you (the core gamer) lol.



 

 

ninjablade on 27 June 2013

biggest mistake was making wii weak with no online support, they missed out on whole new generation of gaming, the hardware was to weak to get third party support and no online support meaning most third party franchises and online gaming never got established with nintendo wii, now nintendo is trying to play catch up but it's far too late for them.



arcelonious on 27 June 2013
ninjablade said:
biggest mistake was making wii weak with no online support, they missed out on whole new generation of gaming, the hardware was to weak to get third party support and no online support meaning most third party franchises and online gaming never got established with nintendo wii, now nintendo is trying to play catch up but it's far too late for them.


I find this to be an interesting observation.  It does seem like the Wii's early success may have benefited from the fact that the world at the time was still in transition to the HD format and online console gaming.  However, as more gamers in the market adopted HDTVs and started appreciated online games (coinciding with third-party developers shifting focus to HD games with online functionality), perhaps many shifted to the 360 and PS3.

Ironically, despite the Wii U being the first next-generation console in the market, they're sort of late to the party in regards to HD and online gaming, and perhaps its slow start may in part be attributed to this.  I'm not sure if I agree that the Wii was a mistake, however, since it was still a huge success.  With that said, I think (or at least hope) the Wii U will start picking up some pace when more games are released.



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Areal-Llort on 27 June 2013

I feel like the three biggest mistakes that Nintendo made are
- Naming the console close to the same as the previous console. (Wii, Wii U)
- No major titles to own as of yet. (Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Mario Galaxy-ish games, etc.)
- Poor marketing, getting the word out.



oniyide on 27 June 2013
NoirSon said:
oniyide said:
RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:
RolStoppable said:

Improved Wiimote/Nunchuk, yes.

It's a pretty useless console as it is. I don't use the Gamepad for NSMBU and NSLU, I won't use it for Pikmin 3, DKC:TF and SM3DW. So the main benefit of the Wii U is better graphics which is as underwhelming as it can get. All those games might as well have been on the Wii, that way I wouldn't need to own a rubbish console that can't download and install things at the same time.

doesnt it use the wiimote+ which was improved? Should they have made an even newer one?

Its interesting that you bought the console anyway, despite how rubbish it is.

The Wii U supports the original Wiimote as well as the Wiimote+.

The obvious improvement over the current setup would be the removal of the Nunchuk cord and much better motion sensing in the Nunchuk part. I am not in favor of adding an analog stick onto the Wiimote or adding a touch screen (suggestions that have been made by others), because it would overcomplicate things. What I think would be a good adjustment is the replacement of the 1 and 2 buttons with four buttons arranged in the common diamond shape which would benefit games that are played with the Wiimote held sideways while not getting in the way of games that are played one-handed or with the Wiimote/Nunchuk setup. Plus even better motion sensing than in the Wiimote+, yes.

Such a hypothetical Wii successor would also support the original Wiimote and the Wiimote+ as long as the games don't require the capabilities of the new and improved Wiimote/Nunchuk. So just like the actual Wii U does with the original Wiimote; it can be used as long as a game doesn't require Motion Plus.

As for why I bought the Wii U, it's still going to be the only place to play the best games of the eighth generation, despite how rubbish the system is.

yeah that nunchuck could use better motion sensing, but I have to wonder what games would really benefit from that? I cant picture too much genres that would be really benefit from even MORE better motion sensing, but fair enough, one could argue the same about the gamepad itself.

Aside from making the nunchuck better at motion control, I'd have like to see if there would be a way to cut the nunchuk cord or make it optional. A cordless nunchuck on par with the Wiimote+ or a normal Wii remote could make for motion options similar to those of the kinetic, offering more gameplay options for potential Wii sports or Fit style games. Heck, they could have built a new nunchuk with the intention of it ultimately being used as a stand alone standard controller rather then reusing the Wii's. Gamers are used to buying new accessories with a new system, why Nintendo did see it necessary to not provide new ones that can be purchase is one of the reasons people are hesistant about the system and refuse to consider it Next Generation.

It is not just the power of the system, Nintendo seems to have chosen almost every other major decision concerning the Wii U which makes their system seem like it was meant for the previous console generation (or just the company being cheap) rather then the start of a new one.


there are already 3rd party controllers that are wireless, I dont think a better nunchuck would help that much. it would still have trouble tracking your entire body. It wouldnt be anywhere near Kinect, for that to happen they would need a MUCH better camera and as we have seen those arent really cheap. IMHO had we gone this route it would be just as expensive as it now with the gamepad, would it have been better? No way for us to know that.



oniyide on 27 June 2013
Cobretti2 said:
I agree that the majority of wii owners have no clue about what the Wii U is. Even knowledgeable ones have no idea the Wii U is out lol. One of my mates come over last week and was like when did u get a black wii, im like its a wii u. He was like what is that. I said Nintendo's next gen console he said oh...

I think they shoudl ave called it Wii 2 as well

or Wii2U

so the console can be used by all (we) to just you (the core gamer) lol.


the fact that even after you're friend found out he still didnt care. TO me that is the issue, people just dont CARE



kopstudent89 on 27 June 2013

Agreed, plus Wii U as a name isn't really catchy like Wii.



NoirSon on 27 June 2013
oniyide said:
NoirSon said:
oniyide said:
RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:
RolStoppable said:

Improved Wiimote/Nunchuk, yes.

It's a pretty useless console as it is. I don't use the Gamepad for NSMBU and NSLU, I won't use it for Pikmin 3, DKC:TF and SM3DW. So the main benefit of the Wii U is better graphics which is as underwhelming as it can get. All those games might as well have been on the Wii, that way I wouldn't need to own a rubbish console that can't download and install things at the same time.

doesnt it use the wiimote+ which was improved? Should they have made an even newer one?

Its interesting that you bought the console anyway, despite how rubbish it is.

The Wii U supports the original Wiimote as well as the Wiimote+.

The obvious improvement over the current setup would be the removal of the Nunchuk cord and much better motion sensing in the Nunchuk part. I am not in favor of adding an analog stick onto the Wiimote or adding a touch screen (suggestions that have been made by others), because it would overcomplicate things. What I think would be a good adjustment is the replacement of the 1 and 2 buttons with four buttons arranged in the common diamond shape which would benefit games that are played with the Wiimote held sideways while not getting in the way of games that are played one-handed or with the Wiimote/Nunchuk setup. Plus even better motion sensing than in the Wiimote+, yes.

Such a hypothetical Wii successor would also support the original Wiimote and the Wiimote+ as long as the games don't require the capabilities of the new and improved Wiimote/Nunchuk. So just like the actual Wii U does with the original Wiimote; it can be used as long as a game doesn't require Motion Plus.

As for why I bought the Wii U, it's still going to be the only place to play the best games of the eighth generation, despite how rubbish the system is.

yeah that nunchuck could use better motion sensing, but I have to wonder what games would really benefit from that? I cant picture too much genres that would be really benefit from even MORE better motion sensing, but fair enough, one could argue the same about the gamepad itself.

Aside from making the nunchuck better at motion control, I'd have like to see if there would be a way to cut the nunchuk cord or make it optional. A cordless nunchuck on par with the Wiimote+ or a normal Wii remote could make for motion options similar to those of the kinetic, offering more gameplay options for potential Wii sports or Fit style games. Heck, they could have built a new nunchuk with the intention of it ultimately being used as a stand alone standard controller rather then reusing the Wii's. Gamers are used to buying new accessories with a new system, why Nintendo did see it necessary to not provide new ones that can be purchase is one of the reasons people are hesistant about the system and refuse to consider it Next Generation.

It is not just the power of the system, Nintendo seems to have chosen almost every other major decision concerning the Wii U which makes their system seem like it was meant for the previous console generation (or just the company being cheap) rather then the start of a new one.


there are already 3rd party controllers that are wireless, I dont think a better nunchuck would help that much. it would still have trouble tracking your entire body. It wouldnt be anywhere near Kinect, for that to happen they would need a MUCH better camera and as we have seen those arent really cheap. IMHO had we gone this route it would be just as expensive as it now with the gamepad, would it have been better? No way for us to know that.

It doesn't have to be as good as Kinect, but making the Nunchuk on par with the Wii remote would have allowed for more options for game play then just making everything compatable with the Wii accessories. I am fine with the Gamepad but Nintendo has taken the stance that only one gamepad per system, meaning multiplayer is dependent on the standard controllers, which based off of Nintendo's offerings is still considered the Wii remotes. For Wii owners it is a godsend in not having to buy new controllers right now but can you honestly say not having better technology for the system's main input device outside of the Gamepad or something that isn't dated even on the Wii wouldn't make the system more desirable?