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S.T.A.G.E. said:


DRM was not going to enhance anything, so I dont know what you're going on about. DRM is Digital Rights Management....which only protects Microsoft, EA and other participating third parties. They were throwing you a bone with glorified demos or "sharing" for taking rights away from you in the family plan.

As for the E3 show, yes...it was unruly, biased mobs. No, they were reporters, E3 shows at majorly attended by reporters and fans aren't really allowed. They are allowed to play the games and roam around where they are given access but thats it. These are reporters whom are gamers themselves and can afford their games and tend to own all of the consoles so they can review them and Sony caused them to give a standing ovation just by doing as they asked. Why? Ever heard the marketing say....."The market always wins?" Yes. Thats how it should always be or else your business is a sham from the start.

I read the other side of the argument, I know the motives and their motives were not good enough to risk their public perception just to force the people kicking and screaming into something they'll probably accept six to ten years from now. We all know all digital is coming, we're just not ready for that.

You obviously didn't read the other side properly, because you just dismissed DRM as "not enhancing anything" when I've already given you one case where it does. The fact that you fail to even understand that just shows that your motive IS to take a side in this argument and refuse to change, regardless of what information arises. Yet you're trying to make some kind of point by saying that Microsoft's original strategy was bad. Yes, it was bad, as I've mentioned like a hundred times today, their plan was not intentionally malicious, but more of an attempt of patching a problem with a problem, along with possible external influence from forms of 3rd parties to butcher their original idea. It should have got to a point where they abandoned it after so much altering, but it didn't. Makes much more logical sense than just "Microsoft did it because they wanted to screw their base", don't you think?

I had to laugh at your quote. The market always wins? Yes. Is that the same as "the market is always right?". Depending on your viewpoint, no. It doesn't always mean that. For a Sony fan, all I have to do is point you to the VHS vs Betamax war, where the superior of the two formats was NOT chosen by the marketplace. You're admitting that Sony's entry into the video market was a sham from the start? My my...

There's also another saying: "Only the victors write history", meaning that even after the dust settles, the majority will still remain ignorantly misinformed at Microsoft's initial intent (I'll give you a hint. Intitial intent WASN'T to screw the consumer. That's an absolutely ridiculous analogy).



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The number one thing he said was that "Gamers want choice" and i could not agree with that more, that is all we want and as long as the choices given to us won't screw us ... well then count us in on your gaming experience that you offer ;)



The one thing i don't understand from the Video is the Family sharing plan and how you can share downloaded games and DLC with family and such. The reason is that I thought you could do this already, I mean I have all of the DLC for Borderlands and not only can my GF play the DLC I bought on my account (on the same PS3) but my brother who has my old PS3 can also play that DLC because that was the original system I played it on. So basically all my Digital Downloads and DLC are playable on different accounts on my PS3 but from what I have heard isn't that what the Family plan on XBone was all about?

I am seriously not trying to make this about PS vs. Xbox, I just want to know if this is what the Family plan is on the XBone, can someone please elaborate.



S.T.A.G.E. said:


We own nothing with DRM...and no it couldn't have worked online because they cannot watch you which was their full intention despite the DRM. Microsoft was going to play Watchdogs, and you would be the apple of their eye. 

Its amazing that once the American company joins the gaming industry once they attain power they start telling gamers what to do and how to run their experience. No...if you want our money STFU and make our lives easier so we can just enjoy the benefit of being gamers. Microsoft is no company to tell anyone what the future of gaming is. Creatively they arent even great at making games and their only good at OS, thats it. Who are they to tell us what is the future of gaming? They told us Kinect was and it wasnt. They sided with EA and Activision against us and Sony stood up for us giving the people a company to rely upon for some sanity even when Microsoft pressured them into paying for multiplayer. At least Sony gives us a choice, if you don't like multiplayer, don't pay for it and theres plenty people who play on PS brand products who don't. Microsofts no one a choice, its either you're in or you're out. They've never been on our side, they aren't thinking about whats great for our future, only what gives them and the corporate fat cats more money. They can have it if they earn it but figuring out ways to overwhelm our rights is not the way. 

Oh, so you just want to hate on a US Company.  At least be honest about it. 

I suggest you do a bit more research into Sony's corporate practices. You may not like what you find there.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

This whole DRM argument aside, man this guy is such a retard...

All people that I have seen lately who have dedicated their life to making gaming videos on youtube are acting as if they were mentally challenged. Or that may be just their online video persona. They know acting like a moron is what will attract views i guess...

Look at this guy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVzwI_aImrw

Makes all metal heads out there look like a walking steretype of a tool.



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I like this guy. I also agree with what he says about DRM. Maybe not so much M$ cares what he says, I still like it.



 

It is hard for me to take the guys whining about DRM seriously when I know he loves PC gaming and Steam, which have DRM worse than Xbone ever wanted to have. The fact of the matter is he and others just didn't want that happening to consoles. Somehow some gamers have accepted the idea that games on their PC's are just digital collections of 1's and 0's that they cannot lend, borrow, or resale. But consoles are another story. I just feel sorry for people that are so close minded as he is. I mean, Steam and PC gaming in general are awesome. The games are cheap, the platforms to buy them from are very gamer-friendly. So why close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears, and not want this same possibilities on consoles? With added benefits such as loaning games, reselling games, and family share?

It's a sad day for the console market. Not interested in either console until the only good looking game imho (Titanfall) is out. Maybe then I will jump in. But Sony has absolutely no interesting games and MS is charging too much and now lost all they had to differentiate themselves from PS3. Another gen where I will have 2 consoles that essentially play all the same games the same way.



LOL People still in here defending the policies

Joe was spot on with this vid. And just points out how insanely deluded some people are on the interwebs.



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Most important point:

Everything MS marketed before the DRM change is still 100% implementable they have literally no reason to remove them but here were are AGAIN with features been supposedly taken away now that theres no DRM.

This is a massive fuck up by MS and its turning into a major fucking joke. I cant believe people are falling this crap wtf guys???



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J_Allard said:
It is hard for me to take the guys whining about DRM seriously when I know he loves PC gaming and Steam, which have DRM worse than Xbone ever wanted to have. The fact of the matter is he and others just didn't want that happening to consoles. Somehow some gamers have accepted the idea that games on their PC's are just digital collections of 1's and 0's that they cannot lend, borrow, or resale. But consoles are another story. I just feel sorry for people that are so close minded as he is. I mean, Steam and PC gaming in general are awesome. The games are cheap, the platforms to buy them from are very gamer-friendly. So why close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears, and not want this same possibilities on consoles? With added benefits such as loaning games, reselling games, and family share?

It's a sad day for the console market. Not interested in either console until the only good looking game imho (Titanfall) is out. Maybe then I will jump in. But Sony has absolutely no interesting games and MS is charging too much and now lost all they had to differentiate themselves from PS3. Another gen where I will have 2 consoles that essentially play all the same games the same way.

Is that a joke or something?

Steam only requires you to activate your game online after that you can play it offline forever.



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