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When you buy something you think that

What I buy, I own and wha... 206 95.81%
 
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What I buy, I don't own,... 6 2.79%
 
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WAIT.

The concept of "used games" doesn't actually exist.

If you wanted to sell a jacket you're not wearing or a desk you're not using anymore, would it ever occured to you to have to ask permission or pay anything to the manufacturer or brand ? (The same goes in fact if you just want to lend or give what you own)

OF COURSE NOT. That's because in every constitution since the beginning of civilization there is a very important notion that is the right of property. As of now what it still says in US or Europe constitutions is that what you buy, you own. And what you own, you can do whatever you want with.

We've been manipulated by medias for so long into accepting some consecutive corruption of the law like the one saying you can't modify your iphone or computer or whatever, BUT it still doesn't change the core of the law and that's why nobody's been ever sued for jailbreaking an iphone or modifying a console (unless you are hacking into private databases, or stealing IP).

SO NO, you should never be prevented from using, lending, giving or selling what you OWN. That's why big publishers shouldn't been seen as anything but the usual corrupt greedy fat corporation who, like the music majors, are trying to corrupt the law even it means attacking people's rights or liberties by doing so, and the only way they'll be able to is if we give them approval vocally or with the wallet (which makes you collaborator).

And finally, the only thing a publisher/manufacturer should be able to do, would be to charge you a small service fee to transfert/sell a game online, like kickstarter or amazon would. In fact I think that they've been trying to attack used games to try to get back the margin cut that Gamestop gets when it buys back and sells games, which is false logic because the cost of operations, hiring and the fact that it is physically based makes it totally normal to get that margin.



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Busted said:

I dont know why he thrashed the Dudbro genre so much



 



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Busted said:

He is right except that he's not targeting the right people : developers never complained about used games and you know why ?

Because the actual team of developers get a fixed salary and sometimes a tiny micro bonus percentage on the sales. 

The truth ist that only producers/publishers are complaining because they are the only ones who get more money when they get more sales. And that's why publisher hide behind and pretend to speak for developers because they have sympathy...



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You don't own any game, if you "buy" it you own the physical media and a license to use it. The game it's self is covered by copyright law, which is a complex quagmire and your rights vary wildly depending on where you live.



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zarx said:

You don't own any game, if you "buy" it you own the physical media and a license to use it. The game it's self is covered by copyright law, which is a complex quagmire and your rights vary wildly depending on where you live.

That's different nobody is talking about duplicating or selling without license. We're talking about using our games for personal use and anyway we want them. There's no such a thing that I "buy" and before I use it tells me to ask the manufacturers permission. I don't know any, tell me one if you know.

The models they're trying to shove down our throat is a pure rent system. And I don't rent games.



zarx said:

You don't own any game, if you "buy" it you own the physical media and a license to use it. The game it's self is covered by copyright law, which is a complex quagmire and your rights vary wildly depending on where you live.


Sure, you own a license to play that game.  Keyword being that you OWN that license, and it is your right to do with it as you please provided you don't make illegal copies.  It is your license, and you can sell it, lend it, give it away, whatever you want, and it's none of EA or Activision's business.



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What I dont understand is if this is a real problem just treat it the same way you do pc games. I only watched a few minutes if that video so im not sure they discuss pc games, but why or how is it fair that if I buy RE 5 on the 360 I can sell it but not on pc? Its the same concept as the lamp he mentioned. Why can I not resell my old copy of windows 7 if I uograded to 8? Im not saying to to away with used games since I trade in games all the time, but im kind of tired of sony and microsoft people complaining about this used game issue when I've been getting shafted for years buying pc games.

Honestly just add a code to each game that needs to be entered before first time play and be done. No 24 crap
Or better yet lower the price of games to a more rreasonable price of 40-50 $. Then people may keep those games instead of getting the 25 $ credit.
Meh my rant.



thekitchensink said:
zarx said:

You don't own any game, if you "buy" it you own the physical media and a license to use it. The game it's self is covered by copyright law, which is a complex quagmire and your rights vary wildly depending on where you live.


Sure, you own a license to play that game.  Keyword being that you OWN that license, and it is your right to do with it as you please provided you don't make illegal copies.  It is your license, and you can sell it, lend it, give it away, whatever you want, and it's none of EA or Activision's business.

Despite all such media coming with TOS/license agreement the explicatly prohibit it, and there are legal protections such as Fair Use that would likely protect the customers rights to trade and even make copies for personal use. However outside of the EU I am not aware of any court that has ruled against publishers issueing limited use non transfurable software/media licenses and it remains to be seen if anything will come of the EU ruling.



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