It's kind of weird to see Pavo as the defensive one in a Tbone-Pavo argument.

I love Zelda, but Smash is bigger overall. I have hope that the new Zelda will surprise us and be the first to outsell its gen's Smash since OOT, however. At least on Wii U, maybe even with Wii U and 3DS combined. Dream big! Massive open world Hyrule may be just what the series needs to soar!

Zelda U looks amazing, im hoping for 5mil+. WW HD is currently over 1.2mil with digital (should end up with 2mil lifetime imo), so Zelda U should definitely do 3mil+. 

Open World is wat ive wanted for a long time, here's hoping for the best . 

O.o hoping LoZ>SSB WiiU+3DS? Super Smash 3DS is going to be huge in sales, i think 7-8mil maybe more possiblility! No way SSB wiiu or LoZ U get close :P

I did say dream big! I'm hoping for it to be as loved as OOT, maybe more, and be the best sold game on the Wii U, like OOT managed to top both Kart and Smash before it! I think SSB 4 might do 10 million altogether. I know they're technically different games, but so are the different versions of Pokemon, and SSB 4 is being marketed like two different versions of the same game. Same basic gameplay, but each version has exclusive content. I know I for one will be viewing them as Super Smash Bros. 4, and not two separate Smash games that released at roughly the same time. I think Nintendo marketed them as "for 3DS" and "for Wii U" instead of "Super Smash Bros 4 3DS" and "Super Smash Bros. 4 Wii U" is to help differentiate them just enough to help people see the value in getting them both, while still recognizing them as the same basic game. Zelda U, on the other hand, if they deliver on the open world experience properly, I could see becoming the most popular Zelda, and sell 8-12 million, depending on what the Wii U itself sells. If it stays on it's current track and barely sells 20 million, a good Zelda U would be closer to 8 mil, while if Smash and Zelda help recover some momentum and the system manages closer to 30 mil, I could see 12 million being a possibility.

And yes, I realize these are very generous estimations of potential. A more conservative guess would be 5 million Zelda U, maybe 6 or 7 million Smash U, and probably 8 mil for Smash 3DS, just due to the exponentially bigger 3DS install base.

I'm not comparing iterations on the same consoles, except in that OoT outsold N64 smash and that's the first game, so comparing it to MM isn't really fair. Let's see a second smash on N64 and then we'll talk.

My point is, Smash has only been bigger than Zelda's best once - With Brawl. And TP on Wii + Gamecube is what counts for TP, as they sold at just about the same time.

We have absolutely no idea how big Smash Wii U will be. 3DS Smash looks like it'll probably be a big hit, though.

I guess Hyrule Warrios will end up pretty good when compared to other Wii U games, and for it being a Zelda spin-off. Though I wonder if it would had been able to atleast have gotten into 4th-5th place, if the scarf edition had been available in COMG.

It is kinda fair, LoZ OoT>SSB>MM i mean it did beat a LoZ game. But if it isnt really fair fine. LoZ>SSB during the N64 era.

As for SSBM, wats not fair at all is comparing TP to it in sales. SSBM>>Wind Waker. As for Twilight Princess its on a 123mil userbase(cuz yu combined GCN+Wii) vs 22mil userbase. Twilight Princess lost to SSBB (the fair comparison) and Brawl outsold the best LoZ by over 4.5mil.

As for WiiU, your right. We dont kno how big it is, but it seems clear it'll be at least 3mil, and possibly over 5mil. Comparing that to LoZ U, its anyone's game. We'll judge that 2 years from now.

As for 3ds, SSB will be no doubt be huge. First time on HH also may i add Its definitely going to beat both LoZ on 3DS so it already won their, and its very possible its going to over throw the best LoZ for HH (Spirit Tracks 5mil) :0

Edit: Pls dont take this as an argument O.o Just straight up talking

Nice Mh numbers.

Heheh, I was just taking cheap stabs .

I do agree, I also consider Smash to be a bigger series, however Zelda's sales have always been inconsistent to honest. You can have a game selling 2m followed up by one selling 6m and vice versa. For now I'd guess both will end up in the same ballpark as far as the WiiU games go, but obviously we still know little.

I'll just mention COMG, so it stays on-topic somewhat: Smash WiiU will easily beat Zelda in COMG points .

Correct. Each entry on PS2 and PSP outdid the previous one.

Hyrule Warriors getting twice as many points as Tropical Freeze is pissing me off.