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g911turbo on 09 May 2013
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
PS4 will be around twice as powerful as the XBox 720. PS4 will be 3 or 4 times more powerful than the Wii U. 8th generation repeating the 7th generation in terms of specifications but PS4 should be able to blow the XBox 720 and Wii U out of the water in regards to consoles sales. Console sales win means a lot more than technical specifications of the console systems. Higher console systems usually means highest profits for the generation. The PS4 achieving the double in regards to best technology and most console sales will be the first in 20 years since the 4th generation.

Why did your post stop making sense about halfway through? 



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goopy20 on 10 May 2013
snowdog said:
I meant gimped in terms of content, not due to a lack of power but due to a whole new game in its entirety being built from the ground up for the Wii.

As for the difference between 720p and 1080p native, perhaps you personally may be able to tell the difference but the majority of people won't due to the majority of people not having the correct viewing distance between their seats and the screen even before you take into account that the Wii U's GPU will upscale the images anyway.

The difference in IQ between Wii U multiplatform titles and PS4/720 multiplatform titles should be equivalent to the difference in quality between PC Medium settings and PC High and Very High settings. They're not going to look like GameCube/Wii games compared to PS3 and 360 games, nowhere near.

We're going to get a taster of what sort of IQ that Latte is capable of when we see the likes of 3D Mario, Mario Kart 8, more of X and Retro's new game, and these will still be first generation titles. We still don't know what around a third of the GPU does and what we do 'know' is pure guesswork from the GPU die shot very kindly released by Chipworks.

I'm of the opinion that Nintendo have evolved the fixed functions that Flipper and Hollywood had so that they can be used whilst keeping the pipeline standard so that these fixed functions can be implemented into engines such as Unreal, CryEngine etc.

You've also got to remember that the pipelines for both the CPU and GPU are quite short so any instructions can be carried out quicker than those of the other consoles. Those of you that are technically minded really should check out the Latte thread on Gaf, you'll find it very interesting.

You make it sound like the Wii U's power is a big unsolved mystery. Sure, Nintendo hasn't been very open about the hardware but that is only because they don't want people to compare it to the next gen (or current gen)  consoles. However, do you think developers are making their Wii U games, not knowing what the hell they are building their game for?

But ok, I guess we will see at E3 how many next gen titles will get a Wii U announcement and how they will compare to games like MArio Karts 8. We will also see how the ps3/ 360 and Wii U versions of Watch Dogs will look in comparison to the ps4 version.



snowdog on 10 May 2013
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

PS4 will be around twice as powerful as the XBox 720. PS4 will be 3 or 4 times more powerful than the Wii U. 8th generation repeating the 7th generation in terms of specifications but PS4 should be able to blow the XBox 720 and Wii U out of the water in regards to consoles sales. 



It's actually a great deal closer to be repeating the 6th gen in terms of power with the Wii U being the PS2 equivalent, the 720 being the GameCube equivalent and the PS4 being the Xbox equivalent. The difference between the Wii U and the PS4 is a little larger but the difference between the 720 and PS4 is about right. And yes, the most important part of the Wii U - the GPU - is a complete mystery. The metal has been customised so much that the GPU line that it's based on is completely unrecognisable. We really don't have much of a clue. All we know for certain is that it's designed specifically to be a 720p machine, it has compute functionality, it has a DX11 equivalent feature set and that it has crazy texture compression. And that's it. There's around a third of the silicone that's completely unrecognisable.



goopy20 on 10 May 2013
snowdog said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

PS4 will be around twice as powerful as the XBox 720. PS4 will be 3 or 4 times more powerful than the Wii U. 8th generation repeating the 7th generation in terms of specifications but PS4 should be able to blow the XBox 720 and Wii U out of the water in regards to consoles sales. 



It's actually a great deal closer to be repeating the 6th gen in terms of power with the Wii U being the PS2 equivalent, the 720 being the GameCube equivalent and the PS4 being the Xbox equivalent. The difference between the Wii U and the PS4 is a little larger but the difference between the 720 and PS4 is about right. And yes, the most important part of the Wii U - the GPU - is a complete mystery. The metal has been customised so much that the GPU line that it's based on is completely unrecognisable. We really don't have much of a clue. All we know for certain is that it's designed specifically to be a 720p machine, it has compute functionality, it has a DX11 equivalent feature set and that it has crazy texture compression. And that's it. There's around a third of the silicone that's completely unrecognisable.

Like you said, we don't know how close the Wii U is to the ps4 or Nextbox. For all we know the Nextbox will be even more powerful then the ps4. What we do know is that developers are already having problems porting current gen games over to the Wii U. It has a cpu that is actually weaker then current gen consoles and the memory is also 40% slower then that of the ps3/ 360 in raw numbers, let alone the ps4. 

On paper the differences seem huge compared to the ps4, but guess we will know at E3 :) 



Dmick90 on 10 May 2013

PS4 won't get anywhere near PS2 sales levels. 150 million, are you kidding me? Lightning would have to strike, and the stars would have to align to achieve that again. Unless they create something really revolutionary, which they won't because Sony is hurting for money right now.

I wasn't that impressed with the PS4 press conference, the games looked mediocre and it just looked like Sony was desperate for attention. I really think the Xbox will be the winner this time, Sony went first now Microsoft is gonna bring the heat. That is the premonition I get.



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FrancisNobleman on 10 May 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
Okay, I see your point with developers.

But I was addressing the fact that he said Epic despises Nintendo... but Epic isn't even really a developer. their main business is Unreal Engine and licensing that to developers with developing a secondary endeavor. Epic works more with developers than they would with manufacturers and Epic would be more than glad to license their engine to anyone who wants to pay for it. It has nothing to do with hating Nintendo. They said straight up that their engine could be on the Wii U if a developer wants to take their time to make it but that is pointless because the Wii U can't handle the things that make UE4 UE4 and it would be exactly like their UE3 engine that the developers could use instead.


iPhone 3GS and my Google Nexus, laughable pieces of hardware by today's standards, can't handle the things that make UE3 being what it is. Yet, they run the engine for the sake of existence of a framework that has dev demand. I'm sure UE4 on wii u would make dev's happy with another additional platform to easily port software.

And this is cliff in a recent interview with engadget. http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/09/cliff-bleszinski-interview/

"You have notoriously loved Nintendo, and the classic Nintendo titles, but you've never developed anything for Nintendo.

Cliff: They never called. Plain and simple."

 

So nintendo has hot selling machines but they won't develop for it because they are waiting a call asking please. laughable business.



Dark_Lord_2008 on 10 May 2013

The PS4 will sell a minimum of 100 million consoles ltd. 150 million is the number I believe the PS4 can achieve as it gains sales momentum and dominates its competition. The PS4 will sell around 50% of the 8th generation market share. If 300 million 8th generation consoles are sold, 150 million of them will be PS4. PS4 has more exclusive game series than both Nintendo and Microsoft combined. Multi-platform games will dominate on the PS4 and it assist it in outselling the Next Box and the Wii U.

Nintendo relies heavily upon first and second party game series to move systems. Nintendo has had a poor relationship with third party developers since the mid 1990s. The quality of third party games released on the Nintendo sales since the mid 1990s have been sub standard. Microsoft makes up for its lack of first party exclusive games by buying the support of third party developers and securing exclusive deals to deliver exclusive or timed exclusive content. Playstation maintains a strong relationship with third party developers and has enjoyed strong sales with PS1/2/3. Third party support on PS4 combined with having the most first and second party developers makes it an unbeatable advantage. Microaoft will not have a 12 month advantage over Sony. The Wii U has struggled in its first year as gamers await the launch of the PS4 and Next Box to bring competition to the 8th generation. 



_crazy_man_ on 10 May 2013
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

The PS4 will sell a minimum of 100 million consoles ltd. 150 million is the number I believe the PS4 can achieve as it gains sales momentum and dominates its competition. The PS4 will sell around 50% of the 8th generation market share. If 300 million 8th generation consoles are sold, 150 million of them will be PS4. PS4 has more exclusive game series than both Nintendo and Microsoft combined. Multi-platform games will dominate on the PS4 and it assist it in outselling the Next Box and the Wii U.

Nintendo relies heavily upon first and second party game series to move systems. Nintendo has had a poor relationship with third party developers since the mid 1990s. The quality of third party games released on the Nintendo sales since the mid 1990s have been sub standard. Microsoft makes up for its lack of first party exclusive games by buying the support of third party developers and securing exclusive deals to deliver exclusive or timed exclusive content. Playstation maintains a strong relationship with third party developers and has enjoyed strong sales with PS1/2/3. Third party support on PS4 combined with having the most first and second party developers makes it an unbeatable advantage. Microaoft will not have a 12 month advantage over Sony. The Wii U has struggled in its first year as gamers await the launch of the PS4 and Next Box to bring competition to the 8th generation. 

Some crazy predictions going on here.  Unless everything goes right with the PS4 plus more, I don't see this happening.



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snowdog on 10 May 2013
goopy20 said:
snowdog said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

PS4 will be around twice as powerful as the XBox 720. PS4 will be 3 or 4 times more powerful than the Wii U. 8th generation repeating the 7th generation in terms of specifications but PS4 should be able to blow the XBox 720 and Wii U out of the water in regards to consoles sales. 



It's actually a great deal closer to be repeating the 6th gen in terms of power with the Wii U being the PS2 equivalent, the 720 being the GameCube equivalent and the PS4 being the Xbox equivalent. The difference between the Wii U and the PS4 is a little larger but the difference between the 720 and PS4 is about right. And yes, the most important part of the Wii U - the GPU - is a complete mystery. The metal has been customised so much that the GPU line that it's based on is completely unrecognisable. We really don't have much of a clue. All we know for certain is that it's designed specifically to be a 720p machine, it has compute functionality, it has a DX11 equivalent feature set and that it has crazy texture compression. And that's it. There's around a third of the silicone that's completely unrecognisable.

Like you said, we don't know how close the Wii U is to the ps4 or Nextbox. For all we know the Nextbox will be even more powerful then the ps4. What we do know is that developers are already having problems porting current gen games over to the Wii U. It has a cpu that is actually weaker then current gen consoles and the memory is also 40% slower then that of the ps3/ 360 in raw numbers, let alone the ps4. 

On paper the differences seem huge compared to the ps4, but guess we will know at E3 :) 



I think we can take the rumoured specs of the 720 being correct. We're talking about an Xbox/GameCube situation with the PS4/720 respectively.

As for Expresso, the only thing that it's 'weak' at doing is floating point work. But that's what the GPU is there for. We're going back to a more traditional generation in terms of architecture, the 7th gen was a bit of an oddball.

The problems that developers have had with porting PS3 and 360 games to the Wii U are twofold. Firstly, the architecture is completely different. Secondly, developers have only had final tools and SDKs since November last year.



Lyrikalstylez on 10 May 2013

I think ps4 will be number one but Xbox infinity will be a close second,

as for wii u well lets just say I feel sorry for Nintendo lol