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richardhutnik said:
KingofTrolls said:
What is Christian about American ideals and American Dream ?
- law - do not kill, do not steal, do not betrayal,etc.
- morality - help others, be useful, love others, be honest,be free but also care about another person freedom, dont break their law
American Dream - improve urself to perfection, build ur property just with ur poor own hands, in legal ways.
Its all about christianity.Even if u deny it with ur arms and legs.

Pretty much all societies have this.  There is nothing really that different with the first two.

On the American Dream, as you describe that, that is suspect from a Christian perspective, particularly with the perfecting by one's own natural efforts.  

Yes, but Jesus Christ was the first one in the world who said that u can not kill somebody even if he'she hurt u, and its better to forgive, try to understand each other, try to talk to him and solve problems in peaceful ways. Did u visited an  radical islamic country just one single time ? North Korea, USSR ? I do, i know the difference my friend. Trust me. Do not make easy judgements with no full knowledge.

All people are equal - no matter of race, property, sex etc. and there are also Jesus words. Decalog, the fundament of all modern law/judegement is  a Christian idea. The whole civilisation of European Union, USA, but also any modern country - democratic, industried etc take their source from christianity. Dont underestimate Jesus ideas, dont try to hijacking of his achievements.

Answer me some questions :

Can I rape any girl in USA with no punishment, no problems after it ? Why not ? I have my sexual desire, why i cannot fullfil it ? Is it breaking my sexual freedom ? 

When u were in trouble, all ur friends, ur parents, ur family leave u alone like a punk, like a dog, or helped u solve problems ?

When u argue with someone, u wanna kill him or maybe try to make consensus ?

Do u judge people without ever meet them once ?

 

For American Dream - I know all people thinks it is only transist, become from poor to rich. There is much more above it. I have meet some ppl from USA and they were just normal guys, any stereopic about Americans, what I heard very often, were fake. i will surely get banned if u show just a few of them ;D



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richardhutnik said:

 

* Enshrinement of the U.S Constitution as some divine instrument: One can argue that the U.S Constitution is a fine work, and one of the best constitutions ever made.  But, go among Tea Party folks, and it is seen as handed down by Jesus, on part with the Bible.  So, exactly how is a work which was created heavily by non-Christian deists exactly Christian?

 

 


You had me going there I thought this was a serious topic.  I mean "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" a divine instrument handed down by Jesus.  

 

 

Edit: wait Jesus would be for secularism.  He was murdered for standing against a religious state.



interesting, might read that book too



There is nothing Christian about capitalism and there is nothing Christian about America or the government.
There isn't even anything Christian about the religious right, who are more concerned about keeping imaginary people alive (abortion) than actual people (capital punishment).



theprof00 said:
There is nothing Christian about capitalism and there is nothing Christian about America or the government.
There isn't even anything Christian about the religious right, who are more concerned about keeping imaginary people alive (abortion) than actual people (capital punishment).

This makes me sad prof.



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theprof00 said:
There is nothing Christian about capitalism and there is nothing Christian about America or the government.
There isn't even anything Christian about the religious right, who are more concerned about keeping imaginary people alive (abortion) than actual people (capital punishment).


In capitalism

- u get paid for  work, nothing else. No job = no cash.

Who does not want to work, let him not eat.

Source: Second Letter of Paul to the Thessalonians, AD 3,10,53

Imaginary people ? No comment.



outlawauron said:
theprof00 said:
There is nothing Christian about capitalism and there is nothing Christian about America or the government.
There isn't even anything Christian about the religious right, who are more concerned about keeping imaginary people alive (abortion) than actual people (capital punishment).

This makes me sad prof.

Well, I don't want to get into that kind of debate anyway. Don't focus on that part only though, look at the next part too.



snyps said:
richardhutnik said:

 

* Enshrinement of the U.S Constitution as some divine instrument: One can argue that the U.S Constitution is a fine work, and one of the best constitutions ever made.  But, go among Tea Party folks, and it is seen as handed down by Jesus, on part with the Bible.  So, exactly how is a work which was created heavily by non-Christian deists exactly Christian?


You had me going there I thought this was a serious topic.  I mean "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" a divine instrument handed down by Jesus.  

Edit: wait Jesus would be for secularism.  He was murdered for standing against a religious state.

It would be interesting if I was joking, but I am not with this.  Check out this:

http://jonmcnaughton.com/content/ZoomDetailPages/OneNationUnderGod.html

The artist shows Jesus holding out the Constitution.  Yes, there are some who think this.  This is what I had in mind.  Among Tea Party folk (some) the Consitution is made out to be some sort of divine instrument.



theprof00 said:
outlawauron said:
theprof00 said:
There is nothing Christian about capitalism and there is nothing Christian about America or the government.
There isn't even anything Christian about the religious right, who are more concerned about keeping imaginary people alive (abortion) than actual people (capital punishment).

This makes me sad prof.

Well, I don't want to get into that kind of debate anyway. Don't focus on that part only though, look at the next part too.

I don't really care this topic or debate. Just calling aborted babies imaginary people is incredibly depressing and sad.



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Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
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KingofTrolls said:
theprof00 said:
There is nothing Christian about capitalism and there is nothing Christian about America or the government.
There isn't even anything Christian about the religious right, who are more concerned about keeping imaginary people alive (abortion) than actual people (capital punishment).


In capitalism

- u get paid for  work, nothing else. No job = no cash.

Who does not want to work, let him not eat.

Source: Second Letter of Paul to the Thessalonians, AD 3,10,53

Imaginary people ? No comment.

Your understanding of capitalism is sorely lacking.
The idea that people who work, eat, works in ANY government.
Yet our government has food stamps, care for people who cannot work, and we also have people who make money doing nothing more than having a webcam on them while they live.

And capital punishment? Don't just cherrypick the things YOU want to talk about. The dirty truth isn't meant to be ignored.