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If the ideals of Jesus is the accepted values of Christianity, Capitalism is pretty much the most evil thing ever created.



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Just a bunch Conservative B.S.



prayformojo said:
If the ideals of Jesus is the accepted values of Christianity, Capitalism is pretty much the most evil thing ever created.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

As with any economic system almost, it can be used to do what Christ would have.  Capitalism says nothing pro or con regarding charity, just who has ownership of capital.



richardhutnik said:
prayformojo said:
If the ideals of Jesus is the accepted values of Christianity, Capitalism is pretty much the most evil thing ever created.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

As with any economic system almost, it can be used to do what Christ would have.  Capitalism says nothing pro or con regarding charity, just who has ownership of capital.

If you want a system that Jesus, real or not, would have endorced, it would be a system where every human being has equal rights and the right to life (shelter, food, healthcare etc.) This is not capitalism.



prayformojo said:
richardhutnik said:
prayformojo said:
If the ideals of Jesus is the accepted values of Christianity, Capitalism is pretty much the most evil thing ever created.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

As with any economic system almost, it can be used to do what Christ would have.  Capitalism says nothing pro or con regarding charity, just who has ownership of capital.

If you want a system that Jesus, real or not, would have endorced, it would be a system where every human being has equal rights and the right to life (shelter, food, healthcare etc.) This is not capitalism.

I dont see how capitalism limits any of that. can you give examples?



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thranx said:
prayformojo said:
richardhutnik said:
prayformojo said:
If the ideals of Jesus is the accepted values of Christianity, Capitalism is pretty much the most evil thing ever created.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

As with any economic system almost, it can be used to do what Christ would have.  Capitalism says nothing pro or con regarding charity, just who has ownership of capital.

If you want a system that Jesus, real or not, would have endorced, it would be a system where every human being has equal rights and the right to life (shelter, food, healthcare etc.) This is not capitalism.

I dont see how capitalism limits any of that. can you give examples?

It's not about limiting anything it's about a system that does not make the right to life....a right. There are lots of examples but healthcare is numero uno. How can a system be called Christian, whilst letting millions of poor people die simply because they can't afford healthcare? The early church basically converted people due to the fact that it nursed the sick, fed the poor etc. Those were the original set of ideals set forth by early Christians as mandated by Christ. If Capitalism were truely based on Christian ideals, no one would go hungry, be without a home, be without healthcare or left to suffer. Those things would be RIGHTS under the law, not options for those who can obtain them on their own.



prayformojo said:
thranx said:
prayformojo said:
richardhutnik said:
prayformojo said:
If the ideals of Jesus is the accepted values of Christianity, Capitalism is pretty much the most evil thing ever created.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

As with any economic system almost, it can be used to do what Christ would have.  Capitalism says nothing pro or con regarding charity, just who has ownership of capital.

If you want a system that Jesus, real or not, would have endorced, it would be a system where every human being has equal rights and the right to life (shelter, food, healthcare etc.) This is not capitalism.

I dont see how capitalism limits any of that. can you give examples?

It's not about limiting anything it's about a system that does not make the right to life....a right. There are lots of examples but healthcare is numero uno. How can a system be called Christian, whilst letting millions of poor people die simply because they can't afford healthcare? The early church basically converted people due to the fact that it nursed the sick, fed the poor etc. Those were the original set of ideals set forth by early Christians as mandated by Christ. If Capitalism were truely based on Christian ideals, no one would go hungry, be without a home, be without healthcare or left to suffer. Those things would be RIGHTS under the law, not options for those who can obtain them on their own.

nothing in capitalism is stopping that.  the bible still encourages work, and not sloth. its expected that people work for what they get.  capitalism in no way prohibits any individual from getting food, shelter, health care. it just outlines how to exchange goods and services and who owns said services. It also ecompanses freedom of choice. Which I also think is a christian value.



thranx said:
prayformojo said:
thranx said:
prayformojo said:
richardhutnik said:
prayformojo said:
If the ideals of Jesus is the accepted values of Christianity, Capitalism is pretty much the most evil thing ever created.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

As with any economic system almost, it can be used to do what Christ would have.  Capitalism says nothing pro or con regarding charity, just who has ownership of capital.

If you want a system that Jesus, real or not, would have endorced, it would be a system where every human being has equal rights and the right to life (shelter, food, healthcare etc.) This is not capitalism.

I dont see how capitalism limits any of that. can you give examples?

It's not about limiting anything it's about a system that does not make the right to life....a right. There are lots of examples but healthcare is numero uno. How can a system be called Christian, whilst letting millions of poor people die simply because they can't afford healthcare? The early church basically converted people due to the fact that it nursed the sick, fed the poor etc. Those were the original set of ideals set forth by early Christians as mandated by Christ. If Capitalism were truely based on Christian ideals, no one would go hungry, be without a home, be without healthcare or left to suffer. Those things would be RIGHTS under the law, not options for those who can obtain them on their own.

nothing in capitalism is stopping that.  the bible still encourages work, and not sloth. its expected that people work for what they get.  capitalism in no way prohibits any individual from getting food, shelter, health care. it just outlines how to exchange goods and services and who owns said services. It also ecompanses freedom of choice. Which I also think is a christian value.

So basically, Jesus would support a system that ALLOWS the poor to starve and die of preventable illnesses? Because that's exactly what Capitalism allows.



prayformojo said:
thranx said:
prayformojo said:
thranx said:
prayformojo said:
richardhutnik said:
prayformojo said:
If the ideals of Jesus is the accepted values of Christianity, Capitalism is pretty much the most evil thing ever created.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

As with any economic system almost, it can be used to do what Christ would have.  Capitalism says nothing pro or con regarding charity, just who has ownership of capital.

If you want a system that Jesus, real or not, would have endorced, it would be a system where every human being has equal rights and the right to life (shelter, food, healthcare etc.) This is not capitalism.

I dont see how capitalism limits any of that. can you give examples?

It's not about limiting anything it's about a system that does not make the right to life....a right. There are lots of examples but healthcare is numero uno. How can a system be called Christian, whilst letting millions of poor people die simply because they can't afford healthcare? The early church basically converted people due to the fact that it nursed the sick, fed the poor etc. Those were the original set of ideals set forth by early Christians as mandated by Christ. If Capitalism were truely based on Christian ideals, no one would go hungry, be without a home, be without healthcare or left to suffer. Those things would be RIGHTS under the law, not options for those who can obtain them on their own.

nothing in capitalism is stopping that.  the bible still encourages work, and not sloth. its expected that people work for what they get.  capitalism in no way prohibits any individual from getting food, shelter, health care. it just outlines how to exchange goods and services and who owns said services. It also ecompanses freedom of choice. Which I also think is a christian value.

So basically, Jesus would support a system that ALLOWS the poor to starve and die of preventable illnesses? Because that's exactly what Capitalism allows.

yes. Jesus wanted us to give of ourselves. of our free will. he didn't want us to be forced by some authority to do good things. he wanted us to make the choice our selves. To be able to decide that it is the right thing to take from your self and to give to others. That one should help others. nothing in his teaching seemed to want to force it upon people, and thus deprive them of the joy of giving and sacrificing from themselves.



thranx said:
prayformojo said:
thranx said:
prayformojo said:
thranx said:
prayformojo said:
richardhutnik said:
prayformojo said:
If the ideals of Jesus is the accepted values of Christianity, Capitalism is pretty much the most evil thing ever created.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

As with any economic system almost, it can be used to do what Christ would have.  Capitalism says nothing pro or con regarding charity, just who has ownership of capital.

If you want a system that Jesus, real or not, would have endorced, it would be a system where every human being has equal rights and the right to life (shelter, food, healthcare etc.) This is not capitalism.

I dont see how capitalism limits any of that. can you give examples?

It's not about limiting anything it's about a system that does not make the right to life....a right. There are lots of examples but healthcare is numero uno. How can a system be called Christian, whilst letting millions of poor people die simply because they can't afford healthcare? The early church basically converted people due to the fact that it nursed the sick, fed the poor etc. Those were the original set of ideals set forth by early Christians as mandated by Christ. If Capitalism were truely based on Christian ideals, no one would go hungry, be without a home, be without healthcare or left to suffer. Those things would be RIGHTS under the law, not options for those who can obtain them on their own.

nothing in capitalism is stopping that.  the bible still encourages work, and not sloth. its expected that people work for what they get.  capitalism in no way prohibits any individual from getting food, shelter, health care. it just outlines how to exchange goods and services and who owns said services. It also ecompanses freedom of choice. Which I also think is a christian value.

So basically, Jesus would support a system that ALLOWS the poor to starve and die of preventable illnesses? Because that's exactly what Capitalism allows.

yes. Jesus wanted us to give of ourselves. of our free will. he didn't want us to be forced by some authority to do good things. he wanted us to make the choice our selves. To be able to decide that it is the right thing to take from your self and to give to others. That one should help others. nothing in his teaching seemed to want to force it upon people, and thus deprive them of the joy of giving and sacrificing from themselves.


If we both agree that Jesus wanted us to help one another, then we also both must agree that Capitalism isn't Christian. Why? Because again, it does not provide help for those who can not help themselves. It does not provide a house for the homeless. It does not provide a doctor for those who can't afford one. It does not provide food for those who can not eat. Jesus would have given those things, in spades, had someone knocked on his door and asked for them. Capitalism opens the door, asks what you want, tells you "not my problem", and slams the door.

This is the contrast between the two. One teaches to give, the other teaches to get.