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lilwingman said:
twesterm said:
Well, at least that makes me have higher hopes that the game will release within the next five years *and* they might actually occasionally show gameplay at press events!

If I were being hopeful, I would also hope that they take the gameplay in a new direction. Turn based combat (and even the newer turn based combat like FFXIII had) is just outdated. In 1996 you couldn't have characters flip around and do awesome stuff, in 2013 you can. It just makes it so bad when you put something like, say, FFXIII and Uncharted next to each other where you're actually doing the crazy stuff.


I dont know... I think there's still a place in gaming for true turn-based games and I definitely wouldn't want to see them go the way of the dodo.  Makes me a little sad that the sales just don't justify the big-budget JRPG blockbusters like they used too.  FFX and DQVIII are among my top games of the last three generations (FFIV and Earthbound before that), and the thing that I like most about all of them is that they are strictly turn-based.  I think developers are taking the right steps to take out some of the frustrations for the general public - ie.  FFX, manually having to have Rikku steal from every enemy; FFXII, setting up a gambit to steal automatically.  Not having to consistently micro-manage all members of the party was a big step, but take too much out of the core system and you end up with FFXIII (which was panned for being so untraditional).

With all that said, I love Nomura and the Kingdom Hearts series, so if Versus does end up becoming FFXV I'm sure there will be plenty of oppurtunities for you to do some crazy awesome stuff.

There's a place for them, but not in your typical RPG.  Just like point and click will always be around, turn based games will always be around but they will never be what they once were and most of the fans of the genre will love it for nostalgia or other reasons.

For turn-based, it best belongs on asynchronous iOS type games and strategy games like FFTactics, but your traditional turn based RPG?  That style of game is just dead dead dead dead on consoles.



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AbbathTheGrim said:
twesterm said:
Soriku said:
twesterm said:
Well, at least that makes me have higher hopes that the game will release within the next five years *and* they might actually occasionally show gameplay at press events!

If I were being hopeful, I would also hope that they take the gameplay in a new direction. Turn based combat (and even the newer turn based combat like FFXIII had) is just outdated. In 1996 you couldn't have characters flip around and do awesome stuff, in 2013 you can. It just makes it so bad when you put something like, say, FFXIII and Uncharted next to each other where you're actually doing the crazy stuff.


Versus has always been an action RPG. Did you watch the 2011 trailer?



Anyway, we'll see...

 

  • IF SE can stop with the crappy emo protagonist crap.
  • IF SE can actually provide a good story and good characters.
  • IF SE will actually accept Sony's help on how to make an action game and not some really bad hybrid or some generic attempt.

 


I can understand not wanting the emo personality although I don't know if the Japanese would complain that much about it to begin with. But we can't also expect a western-like type of personality because Square is not going to alienate the Japanese fans. I have this notion that somehow the characters that could click in Japan are those that are either sentimental but look badass, or the extremely funny ones.

About the Sony hands in the project (if that is really the case), we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. Maybe their help for Square is a about money and/or getting stuff done in the PS4 machine. Sony may not necessarily have any involvement in the creative aspect of the game.

That's why I hope Sony takes more control and makes SE do the things SE doesn't want to do.

SE's western games have been kicking ass lately but anyone in charge of the FF series refuses to see it.  I know Sony sees it and, if true, we can only hope that they write enough control in the contract to make SE actually become current.



badgenome said:
Maybe Square can return the favor and help co-develop The Last Guardian. Then they can release both games on Neveruary XX, 20∞.

Sounds like a good plan. And TLG would become a ARPG too.



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

i guess that's why Sony sold their HQ in NY and Tokyo, to get this big exclusive on PS4 not to mention what other games they have got. And for people who are saying that its impossible for SE to release an exclusive FF game, If my memory serves me right doesn't Sony holds some shares in SE. Last i read Sony was the third largest share holder in Square Enix (Squaresoft, Enix & Sony)



I guess exclusivity could make sense if Sony has been co-developping. I don't agree with renaming the game Final Fantasy XV, the gameplay of Versus doesn't fit with the main line Final Fantasies.



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Conegamer said:
I find that hard to believe, but well stranger things have happened I suppose.


Why is that hard to believe ?

After all, it's just Versus rebranded and moved to another platform. 



taus90 said:
i guess that's why Sony sold their HQ in NY and Tokyo, to get this big exclusive on PS4 not to mention what other games they have got. And for people who are saying that its impossible for SE to release an exclusive FF game, If my memory serves me right doesn't Sony holds some shares in SE. Last i read Sony was the third largest share holder in Square Enix (Squaresoft, Enix & Sony)

They own 8.5% of the company if my memory serves right.



twesterm said:
AbbathTheGrim said:
twesterm said:
Soriku said:
twesterm said:
Well, at least that makes me have higher hopes that the game will release within the next five years *and* they might actually occasionally show gameplay at press events!

If I were being hopeful, I would also hope that they take the gameplay in a new direction. Turn based combat (and even the newer turn based combat like FFXIII had) is just outdated. In 1996 you couldn't have characters flip around and do awesome stuff, in 2013 you can. It just makes it so bad when you put something like, say, FFXIII and Uncharted next to each other where you're actually doing the crazy stuff.


Versus has always been an action RPG. Did you watch the 2011 trailer?



Anyway, we'll see...

 

  • IF SE can stop with the crappy emo protagonist crap.
  • IF SE can actually provide a good story and good characters.
  • IF SE will actually accept Sony's help on how to make an action game and not some really bad hybrid or some generic attempt.

 


I can understand not wanting the emo personality although I don't know if the Japanese would complain that much about it to begin with. But we can't also expect a western-like type of personality because Square is not going to alienate the Japanese fans. I have this notion that somehow the characters that could click in Japan are those that are either sentimental but look badass, or the extremely funny ones.

About the Sony hands in the project (if that is really the case), we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. Maybe their help for Square is a about money and/or getting stuff done in the PS4 machine. Sony may not necessarily have any involvement in the creative aspect of the game.

That's why I hope Sony takes more control and makes SE do the things SE doesn't want to do.

SE's western games have been kicking ass lately but anyone in charge of the FF series refuses to see it.  I know Sony sees it and, if true, we can only hope that they write enough control in the contract to make SE actually become current.

I wouldn't put it like "refusing to see" how the western division is "kicking ass". It isn't like we are discussing how FF developers are saying: "Yeah, those games are kind of good but not good enough." I think you are trying to say that they aren't making FF more western, but that hardly has anything to do with how they view other games, does it?

If you take Square western games' latest sells in Japan, you wouldn't see those games as successful there. Actually, I don't think any of those games have passed the best selling FF worldwide. What Square needs to do is to improve FF, return it to past glory. Final Fantasy could use some things from western rpgs, but not as to lose itself and become one of them. I doubt FF would ever become something like Skirim or The Witcher, at least when it comes to character models, personalities, and comedic style. To do so is to alienate the Japan audience, at least that is what I feel will happen. Unless Japanese gamers start to embrace western games I don't see FF getting that gritty, in your face style of games, they will remain with flashy characters, stylish clothing and hairstyles, and emotional and theatrical-like type of storytelling.

You may also be talking about gameplay, I know you mentioned that before. But try to imagine how the gameplay of western games affects the general feel and art style of games. I think we could either see if something western can fit in FF if we see it not affecting that art style from the games.

I guess everyone has freedom to voice their desires and what they would like FF to be, I am also voicing mine and putting here what I think is possible and what I think is not. To each his own I guess.

I am completely unable to conceive the idea that Sony helping with the developing of a game can turn into something bad.



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

It doesn't affect me if FF15 is PS4 exclusive, I would've bought it either way on a Sony platform. Sucks for the 360 FF fans, but considering the sales of FF13-2, I don't think that's too many people >.>



Well I think square realised that their returns on Microsofts systems aren't that great... I don't think it would have taken too much for sony to money hat this as a time exclusive at least.