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NintendoPie on 24 February 2013
Max King of the Wild said:



not my fauult if they cant take what they dish out. My thread is no more worse than the stuff you post

Most of the things Rol posts are funny. This is just stirring up the pot.

Besides, the Wii U will be better off once games actually come. It's not some crazy formula that you have to put together to try and get good sales on a system. All you need is good SW.



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miz1q2w3e on 24 February 2013

Turkish > you. He was more entertaining.



Max King of the Wild on 24 February 2013
NintendoPie said:
Max King of the Wild said:



not my fauult if they cant take what they dish out. My thread is no more worse than the stuff you post

Most of the things Rol posts are funny. This is just stirring up the pot.

Besides, the Wii U will be better off once games actually come. It's not some crazy formula that you have to put together to try and get good sales on a system. All you need is good SW.



Rol stirs the pot trying to use humor. I'm stirring the pot (obviously) but am being completely serious. The Wii U is selling at 30k a week. Games can only do so much. People don't want to really think their system of choice may not claw their way out of it's funk.

Current sales can measure current demand. And current demand can be used to project future demand due to a price cut or games. Considering the current demand is so low then future demand most likely won't "save" the console. Every console will show that trend. If Wii U goes against that trend then more power to it but I don't see any reason for that.



Cheebee on 24 February 2013

Good! I hadn't read a fresh 'Nintendo iz t3h d0med' thread for almost a day now, about time, thanks! ^_^



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Jumpin on 24 February 2013
phenom08 said:
Jumpin said:

The big problem is that the only thing Nintendo has shown is an RPG that we don't know enough about aside from one really cool teaser-trailer that doesn't even identify a proper name, and a few screen shots and such of the port of a Zelda game no one cared about.

Each Nintendo console had something, NES had its 2D mario games, SNES had Donkey Kong Country, N64 had Ocarina of Time and Goldeneye, Wii had Wii Sports and Mario Galaxy, Wii U has nothing major from Nintendo to look forward to, and not much to talk about on the console currently except Miiverse and a few third party games.


If all you saw was X then you need your glasses checked lol.

Only thing from Nintendo shown that was really noteworthy, I should have phrased it.



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Max King of the Wild on 24 February 2013
Immortal said:
You really don't know what you're talking about for the games. You mentioned GTA selling as well as any Nintendo franchise. Firstly, GTA wasn't exclusive, meaning the sales boost would not have been nearly as large.

Secondly, when we're talking about a single platform, that's just false. The best selling GTA on PS2 managed some 20m or so. That's on a 160m base. By contrast, on a mere 100m base, Nintendo has not one, but more than half a dozen game selling well over that. Nintendo's best franchises combined easily outclass GTA in sales and sure as hell in terms of pushing system sales.

On the price cut front, you need to realize that, when a console is closer to affordable, the boost is that much bigger than some symbolic price cut from one ridiculously high price to another ridiculously high price. What I mean is that a console going from, say, $1200 to $1000, won't get any real boost because it's still so expensive, while a console going from $300 to $250 will get a really solid one because it's just within what consumers are willing to spend. As such comparing any Wii U price cut right now to PS3's price cuts when it cost $600 won't get you anywhere.

Finally, percentages are misleading here. The boost Wii U gets will have little do with its baseline. When there's a price cut/big new game, the sales effect isn't measured by the number of people buying it already; it's not as if each buyer this week is going to split into three the next. It'll just attract more people; maybe twice the number of current buyers, maybe twenty if the cut and the game are really appealing. This is evident if you look at, say, the fifty-fold week-on-week growth 3DS got in Japan after its price cut.

Mind you, I don't actually disagree with you. I think the Wii U is in for a miserable time, probably in line with your predictions. Your "analysis" is just so flawed, though, I had to point it out.


GTA sold as much on ps3 and 360 as Mario Galaxy sold on the Wii. Just because it isn't exclusive doesn't mean it wont have the same kind of effect on sales. Why would someone who is interested in GTA say "oh I wont get it because it isn't exclusive." They wont. It just means the game will push both systems.

For price cut, the 3ds price cut helped as much ps3 price cut even though the 3ds was more affordable.

As for percentages read my response to NintendoPie about demand. 

My analysis is hardly flawed. I have taken multiple aspects of the ps3 and looked at different sales increases and their causes. Maybe if I looked at a single thing then yeah. 

at least we come to the same conclusion
 



Max King of the Wild on 24 February 2013
Cheebee said:
Good! I hadn't read a fresh 'Nintendo iz t3h d0med' thread for almost a day now, about time, thanks! ^_^



Nintendo is doomed?!?!?! Holy shit do you know something I don't?



Jumpin on 24 February 2013
SuperMarioWorld said:
Jumpin said:

The big problem is that the only thing Nintendo has shown is an RPG that we don't know enough about aside from one really cool teaser-trailer that doesn't even identify a proper name, and a few screen shots and such of the port of a Zelda game no one cared about.

Each Nintendo console had something, NES had its 2D mario games, SNES had Donkey Kong Country, N64 had Ocarina of Time and Goldeneye, Wii had Wii Sports and Mario Galaxy, Wii U has nothing major from Nintendo to look forward to, and not much to talk about on the console currently except Miiverse and a few third party games.

What?

Wii U hasn't even been out half a year yet. Donkey Kong Country, Ocarina of Time and Goldeneye were released years after the SNES and N64 were released.

Give it time. Nintendo will unleash many titles people will "look forward to". 

SNES sat in the back seat to the Mega Drive until Donkey Kong Country was shown. That was even with a flagship Final Fantasy, Zelda, and Mario in its launch window. Wii U doesn't even have any of those.

Ocarina of Time was shown a full year before the N64 launched, there was also Mario 64. Nintendo has not shown us the new Zelda or Mario game.

The closest thing Wii U has is New Super Mario Bros U. So all there is, really, is the Xenogears game which we don't know a lot about, some screenshots of an HD Zelda port of a game that isn't Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, or Majora's Mask, and some talk about other games. There are mere table scraps from Nintendo about their games in Wii U's future. This is why no one is really paying attention, because other platforms have much more to look at.



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Pavolink on 24 February 2013

So, what will need to be Nintendo's solution(s) to not sell that low?



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Mad55 on 24 February 2013
phenom08 said:
Mad55 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
phenom08 said:
Max King of the Wild said:

The Nintendo fans sound like Ps3 fans at the begining.

"Sales will pick up after X"
"Sales will pick up after Y"
"Sales will pick up after Z"

The fact of the matter is, if you are relying on a game you will be sorely disappointed. Even GTA4 didn't do much for the Ps3. Even MGS4 didn't do much for the Ps3. GTA sells as much as Nintendo's best franchises. MGS sells a little less but is still a massive seller.

If you are relying on a price drop you will be disappointed. The Wii U isn't unaffordable. A price drop might help like the first one helped the Ps3. However, in the Ps3's case it still had a high price point and could look forward to price reduction again. Nintendo is already losing money on the Wii U. One thing Nintendo isn't as good as Sony with is reducing costs of their system. Why? because they already use cheap components that have little room for getting cheaper. As time drags on they will get cheaper but definitely not at the same pace as new technology. So they drop the price of the Wii U... the price reduction will be more than the cost reduction. Then when will they be able to drop it again?

Okay, let's say that a price reduction and games do something unprecedented. MGS4 increased sales by 141%. GTA increased it by 80%. 299 price point increased it by 80% the 499 pice point increased it by 52%. We also know that no single thing really sustained sales. But lets pretend that everything works out for the Wii U. It gets a measly 50 dollar drop and somehow attracts people. Let's say Mario releases and it attracts people. Okay, let's say it gets a bigger increase than anything the Ps3 received AND it sustains sales.... well, the best we are looking at is still something under 100k a week. 32k (initial sales) x 3 (200%) = 96k. This is also using current sales. Sales may even drop lower than this.

I can see Wii U selling less than 6 million this calendar year. It all really depends when Nintendo cuts the price. But if they wait till sometime like E3 it wont be good for them.


Is this the definition of someone trying to act like they know what they are talking about? What exactly are those games Ninty fans are saying wait for? All I see is them saying wait for some games. GTA is big but there is a difference between that and Mario. One is exclusive, so obviously the boost is much bigger, and please dont compare MGS to Nintys top tier, they are not in the same league.

If you don't see nintendo fans saying wait for games then you are blind

i see them saying it and it's the truth. I don't see how a price drop will help its sales when theres not a lot to play on it. I'd rather have the current price and way more games than a price drop and the same drought like atmosphere if I had to choose. 


Im sure you do. Anyways thats exactly what Ninty fans are saying wait for games. Not a game but games, the drought ends at the end of March. Thats what you should wait for.

I don't think it ends at the end of march, but well see.