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phenom08 on 24 February 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
phenom08 said:
Max King of the Wild said:

The Nintendo fans sound like Ps3 fans at the begining.

"Sales will pick up after X"
"Sales will pick up after Y"
"Sales will pick up after Z"

The fact of the matter is, if you are relying on a game you will be sorely disappointed. Even GTA4 didn't do much for the Ps3. Even MGS4 didn't do much for the Ps3. GTA sells as much as Nintendo's best franchises. MGS sells a little less but is still a massive seller.

If you are relying on a price drop you will be disappointed. The Wii U isn't unaffordable. A price drop might help like the first one helped the Ps3. However, in the Ps3's case it still had a high price point and could look forward to price reduction again. Nintendo is already losing money on the Wii U. One thing Nintendo isn't as good as Sony with is reducing costs of their system. Why? because they already use cheap components that have little room for getting cheaper. As time drags on they will get cheaper but definitely not at the same pace as new technology. So they drop the price of the Wii U... the price reduction will be more than the cost reduction. Then when will they be able to drop it again?

Okay, let's say that a price reduction and games do something unprecedented. MGS4 increased sales by 141%. GTA increased it by 80%. 299 price point increased it by 80% the 499 pice point increased it by 52%. We also know that no single thing really sustained sales. But lets pretend that everything works out for the Wii U. It gets a measly 50 dollar drop and somehow attracts people. Let's say Mario releases and it attracts people. Okay, let's say it gets a bigger increase than anything the Ps3 received AND it sustains sales.... well, the best we are looking at is still something under 100k a week. 32k (initial sales) x 3 (200%) = 96k. This is also using current sales. Sales may even drop lower than this.

I can see Wii U selling less than 6 million this calendar year. It all really depends when Nintendo cuts the price. But if they wait till sometime like E3 it wont be good for them.


Is this the definition of someone trying to act like they know what they are talking about? What exactly are those games Ninty fans are saying wait for? All I see is them saying wait for some games. GTA is big but there is a difference between that and Mario. One is exclusive, so obviously the boost is much bigger, and please dont compare MGS to Nintys top tier, they are not in the same league.

If you don't see nintendo fans saying wait for games then you are blind


Exactly, wait for GAMES! Not what PS3 fans were doing, wait MGS or GTA. Wait for the drought to end and then you can make an accurate predicition. Im not gonna ask you how you thought the 3DS would do before the price cut because you would probably just lie in hindsight. My point is, wait to see what Ninty can do because like Sony they have turned around a bad start, it took Sony years though lol.



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Max King of the Wild on 24 February 2013
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Nintendo knows what has to be done...

I have every confidence that a relaunch at the end of march, a sustained marketing run, new bundling and the rushing of big software for the holiday will spur on sales.

10 million seems very possible for the end of 2013.



I'll bet you that it doesn't sell 10 million this year. I don't think they will drop the price in march first of all. Even then I still seeing it sell less than 10mil



Max King of the Wild on 24 February 2013
RolStoppable said:
Max King of the Wild said:
phenom08 said:

Is this the definition of someone trying to act like they know what they are talking about? What exactly are those games Ninty fans are saying wait for? All I see is them saying wait for some games. GTA is big but there is a difference between that and Mario. One is exclusive, so obviously the boost is much bigger, and please dont compare MGS to Nintys top tier, they are not in the same league.

If you don't see nintendo fans saying wait for games then you are blind

Mhm.

Yesterday you tried to stir up trouble with Microsoft fans and it kinda looks like it's Nintendo fans' turn today.



not my fauult if they cant take what they dish out. My thread is no more worse than the stuff you post



phenom08 on 24 February 2013
Mad55 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
phenom08 said:
Max King of the Wild said:

The Nintendo fans sound like Ps3 fans at the begining.

"Sales will pick up after X"
"Sales will pick up after Y"
"Sales will pick up after Z"

The fact of the matter is, if you are relying on a game you will be sorely disappointed. Even GTA4 didn't do much for the Ps3. Even MGS4 didn't do much for the Ps3. GTA sells as much as Nintendo's best franchises. MGS sells a little less but is still a massive seller.

If you are relying on a price drop you will be disappointed. The Wii U isn't unaffordable. A price drop might help like the first one helped the Ps3. However, in the Ps3's case it still had a high price point and could look forward to price reduction again. Nintendo is already losing money on the Wii U. One thing Nintendo isn't as good as Sony with is reducing costs of their system. Why? because they already use cheap components that have little room for getting cheaper. As time drags on they will get cheaper but definitely not at the same pace as new technology. So they drop the price of the Wii U... the price reduction will be more than the cost reduction. Then when will they be able to drop it again?

Okay, let's say that a price reduction and games do something unprecedented. MGS4 increased sales by 141%. GTA increased it by 80%. 299 price point increased it by 80% the 499 pice point increased it by 52%. We also know that no single thing really sustained sales. But lets pretend that everything works out for the Wii U. It gets a measly 50 dollar drop and somehow attracts people. Let's say Mario releases and it attracts people. Okay, let's say it gets a bigger increase than anything the Ps3 received AND it sustains sales.... well, the best we are looking at is still something under 100k a week. 32k (initial sales) x 3 (200%) = 96k. This is also using current sales. Sales may even drop lower than this.

I can see Wii U selling less than 6 million this calendar year. It all really depends when Nintendo cuts the price. But if they wait till sometime like E3 it wont be good for them.


Is this the definition of someone trying to act like they know what they are talking about? What exactly are those games Ninty fans are saying wait for? All I see is them saying wait for some games. GTA is big but there is a difference between that and Mario. One is exclusive, so obviously the boost is much bigger, and please dont compare MGS to Nintys top tier, they are not in the same league.

If you don't see nintendo fans saying wait for games then you are blind

i see them saying it and it's the truth. I don't see how a price drop will help its sales when theres not a lot to play on it. I'd rather have the current price and way more games than a price drop and the same drought like atmosphere if I had to choose. 


Im sure you do. Anyways thats exactly what Ninty fans are saying wait for games. Not a game but games, the drought ends at the end of March. Thats what you should wait for.



phenom08 on 24 February 2013
Jumpin said:

The big problem is that the only thing Nintendo has shown is an RPG that we don't know enough about aside from one really cool teaser-trailer that doesn't even identify a proper name, and a few screen shots and such of the port of a Zelda game no one cared about.

Each Nintendo console had something, NES had its 2D mario games, SNES had Donkey Kong Country, N64 had Ocarina of Time and Goldeneye, Wii had Wii Sports and Mario Galaxy, Wii U has nothing major from Nintendo to look forward to, and not much to talk about on the console currently except Miiverse and a few third party games.


If all you saw was X then you need your glasses checked lol.



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Stefan.De.Machtige on 24 February 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Nintendo knows what has to be done...

I have every confidence that a relaunch at the end of march, a sustained marketing run, new bundling and the rushing of big software for the holiday will spur on sales.

10 million seems very possible for the end of 2013.

I'll bet you that it doesn't sell 10 million this year. I don't think they will drop the price in march first of all. Even then I still seeing it sell less than 10mil

I didn't say they would drop the price :(

Without a big software push, that's pointless. If the listed things don't work for the holidays, then Nintendo might throw in a price drop at the end of October. I'm sure they will try everything else first.

This is more or less do or die for the Wii U. This holiday it must pick up speed - the more the better.



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snyps on 24 February 2013

comparing the WiiU launch to the PS3, desperation.



Max King of the Wild on 24 February 2013
phenom08 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
phenom08 said:

 


Is this the definition of someone trying to act like they know what they are talking about? What exactly are those games Ninty fans are saying wait for? All I see is them saying wait for some games. GTA is big but there is a difference between that and Mario. One is exclusive, so obviously the boost is much bigger, and please dont compare MGS to Nintys top tier, they are not in the same league.

If you don't see nintendo fans saying wait for games then you are blind


Exactly, wait for GAMES! Not what PS3 fans were doing, wait MGS or GTA. Wait for the drought to end and then you can make an accurate predicition. Im not gonna ask you how you thought the 3DS would do before the price cut because you would probably just lie in hindsight. My point is, wait to see what Ninty can do because like Sony they have turned around a bad start, it took Sony years though lol.



3ds was selling about 85-110k on a weekly basis before the price drop. It's low was 40k the week before the price drop. then 3ds stabilized around 175k which is less than 100% increase... which would actually support the OP



cunger on 24 February 2013

Sony fans who rely on Sony exclusives which bomb more often then they are a success will always be sorry in the long run. For a Nintendo machine be it 3ds or Wiiu big Nintendo titles are always the main driver of sales. It's a different strategy. Sony uses high specs to intice buyers with the potential of having the best way to play 3rd party games. Nintendo goes for lower specs and a cheaper pricepoint and uses exlusive games to drive sales. You can't compare Sony to Nintendo directly since they employ different strategies. Nintendo will be cheap enough and will have a unique lineup of games where people will be a nextbox and a wiiu or a PS4 and a wiiu.  Not everyone will but at least 40% of the next gen systems will be accomapanies by a wiiu and then Nintendo always has the family unit to rely on to purchase just a wiiu.



Max King of the Wild on 24 February 2013
snyps said:
comparing the WiiU launch to the PS3, desperation.

you're right. the ps3 never reached such low sales. I should have compared it to the Vita