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Jumpin said:

The big problem is that the only thing Nintendo has shown is an RPG that we don't know enough about aside from one really cool teaser-trailer that doesn't even identify a proper name, and a few screen shots and such of the port of a Zelda game no one cared about.

Each Nintendo console had something, NES had its 2D mario games, SNES had Donkey Kong Country, N64 had Ocarina of Time and Goldeneye, Wii had Wii Sports and Mario Galaxy, Wii U has nothing major from Nintendo to look forward to, and not much to talk about on the console currently except Miiverse and a few third party games.

What?

Wii U hasn't even been out half a year yet. Donkey Kong Country, Ocarina of Time and Goldeneye were released years after the SNES and N64 were released.

Give it time. Nintendo will unleash many titles people will "look forward to". 



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Max King of the Wild said:
snyps said:
comparing the WiiU launch to the PS3, desperation.

you're right. the ps3 never reached such low sales. I should have compared it to the Vita


U'd have to start ur prejudice all over



Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Nintendo knows what has to be done...

I have every confidence that a relaunch at the end of march, a sustained marketing run, new bundling and the rushing of big software for the holiday will spur on sales.

10 million seems very possible for the end of 2013.

I'll bet you that it doesn't sell 10 million this year. I don't think they will drop the price in march first of all. Even then I still seeing it sell less than 10mil

I didn't say they would drop the price :(

Without a big software push, that's pointless. If the listed things don't work for the holidays, then Nintendo might throw in a price drop at the end of October. I'm sure they will try everything else first.

This is more or less do or die for the Wii U. This holiday it must pick up speed - the more the better.

I see. I took the relaunch meaning a price drop. I agree its do or die for nintendo. The longer they wait to make a move the harder it will be for them.



Dropping the price early on would be terrible for the Wii U. What they need to do is wait until the fall when the big games come out, then do a minor price cut around the same time in order to create momentum. Doing the price cut while there aren't any big games coming out would have the same effect that the Japan price cut will have on the Vita. It would result in a temporary boost which would slowly drop back down to normal levels.



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Max King of the Wild said:
phenom08 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
phenom08 said:

 


Is this the definition of someone trying to act like they know what they are talking about? What exactly are those games Ninty fans are saying wait for? All I see is them saying wait for some games. GTA is big but there is a difference between that and Mario. One is exclusive, so obviously the boost is much bigger, and please dont compare MGS to Nintys top tier, they are not in the same league.

If you don't see nintendo fans saying wait for games then you are blind


Exactly, wait for GAMES! Not what PS3 fans were doing, wait MGS or GTA. Wait for the drought to end and then you can make an accurate predicition. Im not gonna ask you how you thought the 3DS would do before the price cut because you would probably just lie in hindsight. My point is, wait to see what Ninty can do because like Sony they have turned around a bad start, it took Sony years though lol.



3ds was selling about 85-110k on a weekly basis before the price drop. It's low was 40k the week before the price drop. then 3ds stabilized around 175k which is less than 100% increase... which would actually support the OP


So the only thing you respond to was the 3DS part? When this thread is about WiiU. What? This is how I know you know nothing. You said Ninty fans are saying wait for "X, Y, Z" and I said no they said wait for the games not what ever x, y, and z are. Also, I dont need to check your math to know its flawed. Before the price cut, 3DS was trending below DS after it trended above thats important. Here ill get alittle more concrete for you, how much do you see the WiiU selling this year?



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RolStoppable said:
Max King of the Wild said:

not my fauult if they cant take what they dish out. My thread is no more worse than the stuff you post

I beg to differ. Your hack thread yesterday was incredibly childish.

Judging by your responses in this thread, you have the same motive. It's not so much that you are interested in the topic, rather you are looking for payback.



My responses? you mean the one i said i dont think nintendo will drop in march? or the one that i said 3ds got less than 100% increase after the price cut?

Payback? hardly. I love the ps3 and have enjoyed it thoroughly since 2007. I'm enjoying it overcoming all the negativity that was thrown at it. However, to say this thread is payback for that is quite silly considering I'm comparing sales increases from a console that was struggling to a console thats struggling now. I could have done the same thing with the 3ds even



Max King of the Wild said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Nintendo knows what has to be done...

I have every confidence that a relaunch at the end of march, a sustained marketing run, new bundling and the rushing of big software for the holiday will spur on sales.

10 million seems very possible for the end of 2013.

I'll bet you that it doesn't sell 10 million this year. I don't think they will drop the price in march first of all. Even then I still seeing it sell less than 10mil

I didn't say they would drop the price :(

Without a big software push, that's pointless. If the listed things don't work for the holidays, then Nintendo might throw in a price drop at the end of October. I'm sure they will try everything else first.

This is more or less do or die for the Wii U. This holiday it must pick up speed - the more the better.

I see. I took the relaunch meaning a price drop. I agree its do or die for nintendo. The longer they wait to make a move the harder it will be for them.

After the sales drop-off in januari, Nintendo had two options:

  1. Space out software and marketing money, in the hope one of more games ignites a steady sales increase. 
  2. Pull back all software, and set up a strongly guided relaunch and software push to the holiday (perhaps ending with a price drop if needed).

Nintendo choose number 2; clearly proven by the lack of software and marketing for the last two months.

Their relaunch will probably begin with Monster hunter. If they planned well, things should start to build up to the holidays.



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Wii U competition this year if someone has an overall gaming budget:

A 3DS with a better price and more abundance of games
New next gen consoles with the potential of superior ports
A cheaper Xbox and PS3 with their 1st/3rd party lineup
The Wii and DS still

I'm sure if two of these caveats did not exist, the Wii U would stand to gain ground but that's a lot of different things to out maneuver



You really don't know what you're talking about for the games. You mentioned GTA selling as well as any Nintendo franchise. Firstly, GTA wasn't exclusive, meaning the sales boost would not have been nearly as large.

Secondly, when we're talking about a single platform, that's just false. The best selling GTA on PS2 managed some 20m or so. That's on a 160m base. By contrast, on a mere 100m base, Nintendo has not one, but more than half a dozen game selling well over that. Nintendo's best franchises combined easily outclass GTA in sales and sure as hell in terms of pushing system sales.

On the price cut front, you need to realize that, when a console is closer to affordable, the boost is that much bigger than some symbolic price cut from one ridiculously high price to another ridiculously high price. What I mean is that a console going from, say, $1200 to $1000, won't get any real boost because it's still so expensive, while a console going from $300 to $250 will get a really solid one because it's just within what consumers are willing to spend. As such comparing any Wii U price cut right now to PS3's price cuts when it cost $600 won't get you anywhere.

Finally, percentages are misleading here. The boost Wii U gets will have little do with its baseline. When there's a price cut/big new game, the sales effect isn't measured by the number of people buying it already; it's not as if each buyer this week is going to split into three the next. It'll just attract more people; maybe twice the number of current buyers, maybe twenty if the cut and the game are really appealing. This is evident if you look at, say, the fifty-fold week-on-week growth 3DS got in Japan after its price cut.

Mind you, I don't actually disagree with you. I think the Wii U is in for a miserable time, probably in line with your predictions. Your "analysis" is just so flawed, though, I had to point it out.



 

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phenom08 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
phenom08 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
phenom08 said:

 


Is this the definition of someone trying to act like they know what they are talking about? What exactly are those games Ninty fans are saying wait for? All I see is them saying wait for some games. GTA is big but there is a difference between that and Mario. One is exclusive, so obviously the boost is much bigger, and please dont compare MGS to Nintys top tier, they are not in the same league.

If you don't see nintendo fans saying wait for games then you are blind


Exactly, wait for GAMES! Not what PS3 fans were doing, wait MGS or GTA. Wait for the drought to end and then you can make an accurate predicition. Im not gonna ask you how you thought the 3DS would do before the price cut because you would probably just lie in hindsight. My point is, wait to see what Ninty can do because like Sony they have turned around a bad start, it took Sony years though lol.



3ds was selling about 85-110k on a weekly basis before the price drop. It's low was 40k the week before the price drop. then 3ds stabilized around 175k which is less than 100% increase... which would actually support the OP


So the only thing you respond to was the 3DS part? When this thread is about WiiU. What? This is how I know you know nothing. You said Ninty fans are saying wait for "X, Y, Z" and I said no they said wait for the games not what ever x, y, and z are. Also, I dont need to check your math to know its flawed. Before the price cut, 3DS was trending below DS after it trended above thats important. Here ill get alittle more concrete for you, how much do you see the WiiU selling this year?

x,y and z are games. Ps3 had a bigger drought in games than the Wii U had. It's the same exact thing. Also, there is no math in my post to check only figures.

I already said how much I think the Wii U will sell in the OP. ~6mil. That is if they drop the price in June or July. More than that if its before obviously.